1 00:01:10,300 --> 00:00:25,760 [Music] 2 00:01:14,899 --> 00:01:13,010 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:14,909 Frank here with a Tuesday afternoon 4 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:18,600 edition of UFO news network Sunday so 5 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,220 let's not beat around the bush let's get 6 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:22,320 right down to business and I'm going to 7 00:01:27,469 --> 00:01:25,170 bring in my co-host aunt Hannah to 8 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:27,479 introduce our special guests for today 9 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:32,580 can't come on in hi Frank we have some 10 00:01:36,529 --> 00:01:34,710 really wonderful people on today they're 11 00:01:37,940 --> 00:01:36,539 friends of ours and I have a deep 12 00:01:41,149 --> 00:01:37,950 respect for them 13 00:01:44,389 --> 00:01:41,159 we have Phillip mantel and he is the 14 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:44,399 publisher of flying disc press and we 15 00:01:49,730 --> 00:01:46,140 will go into all the books that he 16 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:49,740 publishes on a regular and he also is a 17 00:01:53,809 --> 00:01:52,289 UFO researcher he did get an award for 18 00:01:56,330 --> 00:01:53,819 that recently we will be talking about 19 00:01:58,969 --> 00:01:56,340 that and I would also like to welcome 20 00:02:00,499 --> 00:01:58,979 onto our show a friend of mine Spiros 21 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:00,509 melora's I columnspace 22 00:02:10,029 --> 00:02:05,700 and he owns the 18 minutes alien autopsy 23 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:10,039 film that has been talked about so much 24 00:02:15,590 --> 00:02:13,680 recently and also throughout the decades 25 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:15,600 and I would like to go ahead and welcome 26 00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:17,250 them onto our show thank you so much for 27 00:02:28,849 --> 00:02:23,210 good evening good afternoon good 28 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:28,859 afternoon and okay yeah just obviously 29 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:32,489 the alien autopsy video generated a lot 30 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:35,510 of attention almost 25 years ago now and 31 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:38,220 spyro say you were involved in the 32 00:02:43,970 --> 00:02:41,820 production of this and tell us a little 33 00:02:46,310 --> 00:02:43,980 bit about how the idea formulated in the 34 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:46,320 first place who thought that there they 35 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:48,090 can make some money off such a crazy 36 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:51,060 idea and how did the production all come 37 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:52,070 together 38 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:56,100 well it didn't originally start off as a 39 00:03:01,220 --> 00:02:58,560 money-making idea it wasn't it wasn't 40 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:01,230 that kind of thing for me it started off 41 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:04,200 as a a challenge really you know can we 42 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:08,160 make this impossible film the reason it 43 00:03:15,860 --> 00:03:11,840 became a money-making affair was because 44 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:15,870 a gentleman called Ray Santilli who who 45 00:03:20,420 --> 00:03:19,680 was a producer on the on the project 46 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:20,430 basically his 47 00:03:25,839 --> 00:03:22,140 his role was to find the money to make 48 00:03:29,569 --> 00:03:25,849 it for the first time we did make two 49 00:03:32,839 --> 00:03:29,579 but it just transpired that people 50 00:03:36,380 --> 00:03:32,849 believed it and suddenly he saw dollar 51 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:36,390 signs so it became a money-making 52 00:03:43,069 --> 00:03:39,180 exercise is that it offers a literally a 53 00:03:45,679 --> 00:03:43,079 film project you know or not project so 54 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:45,689 the idea to make it was can we do this 55 00:03:51,559 --> 00:03:48,510 can we fool the world and then can we 56 00:03:53,899 --> 00:03:51,569 show them how we did it and and the rest 57 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:53,909 of history as we say okay now who was 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:03:57,200 involved in the initial brainstorming 59 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:01,530 did you conceived this idea working with 60 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:04,260 Ray directly to begin with or did you 61 00:04:08,089 --> 00:04:06,180 find ray later on when you realize that 62 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:08,099 you might need a little bit more money 63 00:04:13,009 --> 00:04:10,169 than to get the project finished how did 64 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:13,019 all that work out and frankly before I'm 65 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:14,400 starting interject but Frank can you 66 00:04:18,529 --> 00:04:16,410 share the poster of where everybody's 67 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:18,539 name is their title and what they do 68 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:21,120 that sparrows shared with us yes that 69 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:22,380 way everybody can see that in this 70 00:04:31,060 --> 00:04:26,490 slideshow okay go ahead yeah the the 71 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:31,070 idea originally was was was born from a 72 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:35,070 small outfit in in in just outside of 73 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:38,690 London who worked with Ray Santilli who 74 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:41,340 were just basically just chatting over a 75 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:44,190 coffee table and just discussing you 76 00:04:48,649 --> 00:04:46,070 know wouldn't it be good if there was a 77 00:04:53,469 --> 00:04:48,659 bit of film from 1/8 of an alien autopsy 78 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:53,479 and from that these guys a kay music 79 00:04:59,330 --> 00:04:57,330 Keith Bateman and his crew they created 80 00:05:00,680 --> 00:04:59,340 a piece of fun they just made a people 81 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:00,690 didn't expect it to go round the world 82 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:02,310 that didn't expect to do anything they 83 00:05:07,010 --> 00:05:05,639 just made a piece of a bit of fun that's 84 00:05:10,029 --> 00:05:07,020 all I can call it I don't want to say 85 00:05:13,010 --> 00:05:10,039 too too much about it what it very good 86 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:13,020 raid positioned it as the real thing 87 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:15,960 when I met him so when I saw it I just 88 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:18,360 told him it wasn't real 89 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:21,210 he was he acted distraught he acted as 90 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:22,680 if he'd spent a lot of money on it and 91 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:24,990 of course we we found out later that he 92 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:26,880 hadn't spend a penny on it you know he'd 93 00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:28,889 literally be takin it from these guys 94 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:30,300 and thought you know what I'm gonna 95 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:32,760 chance my arms see what happens 96 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:35,470 he showed that film to a few people in 97 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:37,210 court including my good friend Philip 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:41,680 mantle and it didn't hold any water it 99 00:05:46,410 --> 00:05:45,250 wasn't very good the idea to make a 100 00:05:48,510 --> 00:05:46,420 proper one 101 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:48,520 something that would that would stand 102 00:05:55,290 --> 00:05:52,690 the test of time and scrutiny came after 103 00:05:59,490 --> 00:05:55,300 I'd seen the first what we call the 104 00:06:01,440 --> 00:05:59,500 tenth footage and I discussed it with my 105 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:01,450 friend and partner John Humphries at the 106 00:06:06,510 --> 00:06:04,570 time who is a sculptor by trade but at 107 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:06,520 the time was working in film special 108 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:08,800 effects and I said John you know we 109 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:10,900 could have made this much much better 110 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:14,770 ourselves and he said why don't we and I 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:16,720 called Ray Santilli back and I said look 112 00:06:21,270 --> 00:06:18,250 ray I can I can make this for you 113 00:06:23,370 --> 00:06:21,280 properly so why don't we why don't we 114 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:23,380 sit down and talk about it I said my 115 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:26,110 motivation is to is to maybe make a 116 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:28,120 documentary at the end to show how we 117 00:06:35,490 --> 00:06:31,270 made it and he agreed that's what we 118 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:35,500 would do he raised the funds from one of 119 00:06:40,130 --> 00:06:37,840 his friends and colleagues Volker 120 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:40,140 Spielberg who at the time was living in 121 00:06:47,190 --> 00:06:42,490 Germany he later 122 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:47,200 exiled to Switzerland and basically 123 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:49,030 Volker said look I'll put the money up 124 00:06:54,270 --> 00:06:52,510 but I want my money back before before 125 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:54,280 you expose it before you do anything I 126 00:06:59,310 --> 00:06:56,440 want my money back so Reza said yeah I 127 00:07:03,420 --> 00:06:59,320 think we can do that so in order to 128 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:03,430 safeguard Volkers position my team was 129 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:06,720 signed to a nondisclosure agreement 130 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:09,070 Spyros if I could interrupt really quick 131 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:11,470 here our Booker is what a fellow who has 132 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:13,960 been known to finance film and art 133 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:15,490 projects in the past or what was his 134 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:17,710 background and on what Volker Volker is 135 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:19,890 an older version of Ray Santilli 136 00:07:27,210 --> 00:07:23,130 basically what they do is they they buy 137 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:27,220 master rights and they then duplicate 138 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:30,190 those master rights into DVDs and VHS is 139 00:07:33,690 --> 00:07:31,510 and whatever it whatever the flavor 140 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:33,700 might be at the time they've acquired it 141 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:36,850 and they sell it to the public so here 142 00:07:43,170 --> 00:07:40,030 was an opportunity where he could create 143 00:07:45,450 --> 00:07:43,180 the master right and then that would be 144 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:45,460 that would be then used within a 145 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:45,889 document 146 00:07:51,070 --> 00:07:49,280 that's what that was my plan they saw an 147 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:51,080 easy buck they didn't have to do a thing 148 00:07:57,159 --> 00:07:53,030 they just sold the film as it was and 149 00:08:01,239 --> 00:07:57,169 just pretended it was real so to finish 150 00:08:03,969 --> 00:08:01,249 the the first part of this we promised 151 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:03,979 we would not disclose that it wasn't 152 00:08:10,779 --> 00:08:06,529 real until Santilli had told us that 153 00:08:13,089 --> 00:08:10,789 Volker had recouped his money and he 154 00:08:14,379 --> 00:08:13,099 kept saying sorry we're not recouping 155 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:14,389 the money we're not making any money 156 00:08:18,820 --> 00:08:17,120 we're not making any money meanwhile he 157 00:08:24,580 --> 00:08:18,830 was selling it all over the world and we 158 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:24,590 weren't there so the only time the first 159 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:26,930 time that I was able to come forward and 160 00:08:32,139 --> 00:08:29,419 speak about it was when Santilli placed 161 00:08:35,050 --> 00:08:32,149 it in the in the public domain with the 162 00:08:38,199 --> 00:08:35,060 anton deck movie made by qwerty films 163 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:38,209 for Warner Brothers right and as soon as 164 00:08:43,089 --> 00:08:40,310 that became public I was able to discuss 165 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:43,099 it Frank did you find that poster by the 166 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:45,649 way so everybody can see that yet yeah 167 00:08:51,009 --> 00:08:48,769 that that is let me yeah let me get on 168 00:08:54,130 --> 00:08:51,019 that really quickly hang on they need to 169 00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:54,140 see that okay Spira so I would like to 170 00:08:58,449 --> 00:08:56,510 make a point to our audience it's really 171 00:09:03,340 --> 00:08:58,459 important for everybody understand and 172 00:09:07,150 --> 00:09:03,350 that this movie was made with 1995 film 173 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:07,160 and it was not spliced or changed up in 174 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:11,390 any way with any other era of film it's 175 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:15,260 all 1995 level film right or whatever 176 00:09:18,189 --> 00:09:16,670 the terminology is you'll have to 177 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:18,199 correct me from know because I put an 178 00:09:21,579 --> 00:09:19,760 expert in that area but please clear 179 00:09:25,449 --> 00:09:21,589 that up here's something that I haven't 180 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:25,459 told many people because the film that 181 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:28,130 would have been used in 1947 would have 182 00:09:34,269 --> 00:09:32,510 been Kodak in in Roswell but because I 183 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:34,279 was in England and I was looking for a 184 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:36,920 particular look of film it's what we 185 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:39,589 call a fast film it's a lot grania and 186 00:09:45,579 --> 00:09:42,160 it works it works better in low light 187 00:09:47,470 --> 00:09:45,589 okay so I needed a specific kind of 16 188 00:09:50,769 --> 00:09:47,480 millimeter film and as it happened i 189 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:50,779 bought fuji film not codec film but it 190 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:51,980 didn't matter because no one was ever 191 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:54,110 gonna see it so they're never gonna see 192 00:09:58,410 --> 00:09:56,690 the packaging or any or any part of the 193 00:10:01,290 --> 00:09:58,420 branding 194 00:10:06,210 --> 00:10:01,300 so yeah it was Fujifilm that I used 195 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:06,220 which I bought in London in 1995 there 196 00:10:13,860 --> 00:10:10,450 was never ever any genuine 1947 alien 197 00:10:15,930 --> 00:10:13,870 autopsy film okay so let's go ahead and 198 00:10:22,610 --> 00:10:15,940 and I'm glad you you made that very 199 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:24,900 70s 80s or 90s 200 00:10:31,769 --> 00:10:28,630 well 80s film on down era film there was 201 00:10:34,170 --> 00:10:31,779 1995 era film used and it was fuji it 202 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:34,180 was not kodak and if there was going to 203 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:37,930 be a film of any type used for the 204 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:41,410 alleged Roswell crash actually was in 205 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:44,110 Corona New Mexico in 1947 it would have 206 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:46,930 been Kodak is that right absolutely okay 207 00:10:51,449 --> 00:10:48,730 and then the other thing I'd like to 208 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:51,459 bring up Frank can you please find a 209 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:54,730 letter from Kodak there should be a few 210 00:11:00,449 --> 00:10:57,310 of them that Phil gave to us that 211 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:00,459 indicates that the film was tested and 212 00:11:07,650 --> 00:11:02,890 it was discovered to be some kind of 213 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:07,660 like 1940s era film possibly think there 214 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:09,190 were three different dates associated 215 00:11:14,189 --> 00:11:11,290 with it do you see that anywhere I've 216 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:14,199 got something from a professional motion 217 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:17,410 imaging to Phil mantel okay there should 218 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:20,410 be one to Ray Santilli also there should 219 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:22,930 be Kodak's to quite a few people 220 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:26,470 actually so see if you can find the one 221 00:11:30,810 --> 00:11:28,570 that says I think Phil is it the one to 222 00:11:36,449 --> 00:11:30,820 Ray Santilli words confirming that it's 223 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:36,459 from a certain era in time filleryd I 224 00:11:41,309 --> 00:11:38,140 believe I've got this up right at the 225 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:41,319 moment so regarding the Roswell footage 226 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:44,380 bill can you hear me I can hear you 227 00:11:52,590 --> 00:11:46,180 that's terribly that's actually a letter 228 00:11:55,439 --> 00:11:52,600 that's too okay to me stop the slideshow 229 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:55,449 felt Frank just one sec fill the the 230 00:11:58,710 --> 00:11:57,130 question I met we'd stopped there the 231 00:12:01,350 --> 00:11:58,720 one that you had with the red lettering 232 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:01,360 on it Frank mm-hmm you just had it up 233 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:04,870 there prior to this yellow lettering 234 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:06,670 once there you go there you go 235 00:12:11,310 --> 00:12:09,490 I mean what reg Santilli did was show 236 00:12:15,030 --> 00:12:11,320 Kodak 237 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:15,040 some old bits of leader this is you know 238 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:17,170 Spiros bill to explain this better but 239 00:12:21,930 --> 00:12:18,850 it's the star of the film basically 240 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:21,940 Frank it has red lips on it season five 241 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:26,440 I think and and on this piece of leader 242 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:29,250 film of course sees an edge coat and 243 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:31,510 Kodak quite rallies head you know the 244 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:34,570 edge code we actually recycled the edge 245 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:36,510 code every twenty years 246 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:39,520 on which was a square and a triangle 247 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:41,230 could be nineteen twenty seven forty 248 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:43,270 seven or sixty seven button Court made 249 00:12:48,330 --> 00:12:45,880 it quite clear in various types of 250 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:48,340 correspondence to both myself and others 251 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:50,530 then there were actually so any film 252 00:12:56,190 --> 00:12:53,170 with any images on it all these soul was 253 00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:56,200 the edge coat which is what Ray Santilli 254 00:13:02,310 --> 00:12:59,680 first showed me and when I when I went 255 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:02,320 to London to visit him and there's a 256 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:03,730 piece of paper I showed you it was 257 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:06,220 actually yeah I just jotted it down 258 00:13:09,510 --> 00:13:07,750 while I was there grabbed a pen and 259 00:13:12,990 --> 00:13:09,520 wrote just copied it down what was on 260 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:13,000 the edge code so so Frank did you find 261 00:13:19,020 --> 00:13:15,160 the letter with the red letter yes yes 262 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:19,030 not it yes when that one comes up then 263 00:13:23,580 --> 00:13:20,620 the one after that you're going to need 264 00:13:26,190 --> 00:13:23,590 to bring up is the index card that has K 265 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:26,200 Oda on it doesn't have Kodak written all 266 00:13:30,270 --> 00:13:28,630 the way out it's on an index card so if 267 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:30,280 you can find that letter with the red 268 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:31,870 lettering on it we need to see that 269 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:33,760 because that's the letter that we're 270 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:36,100 talking about right now and then the 271 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:39,820 index card after that I felt look I 272 00:13:47,070 --> 00:13:43,740 don't I don't mean to be redundant but 273 00:13:49,140 --> 00:13:47,080 it's really important that the world 274 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:49,150 understands since they're being 275 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:52,690 redundant about this myth that has been 276 00:14:03,200 --> 00:13:58,480 created that there is no way that this 277 00:14:06,570 --> 00:14:03,210 18 minute alien autopsy film has any 278 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:06,580 1940s era film spliced into it 279 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:10,180 whatsoever so can you please be as clear 280 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:11,410 as possible 281 00:14:20,820 --> 00:14:17,740 as to how its in how Kodak got a hold of 282 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:20,830 that bit of okay you just had it up with 283 00:14:24,570 --> 00:14:22,330 the blue lettering there the red right 284 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:24,580 there you just had it with the red 285 00:14:30,420 --> 00:14:24,970 letter 286 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:30,430 Kodak on it oh there you go stop no so 287 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:33,670 so how is it possible please explain to 288 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:38,350 us very clearly again that Ray and Kodak 289 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:42,100 had intersected and Kodak had a 290 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,889 conversation with Ray Frank it was the 291 00:14:49,019 --> 00:14:46,480 letter that just had red lettering on it 292 00:14:52,769 --> 00:14:49,029 I don't know if you you just had it up 293 00:14:55,170 --> 00:14:52,779 it had Kodak and it's had a word that 294 00:14:56,819 --> 00:14:55,180 said Kodak and red lettering all across 295 00:15:00,030 --> 00:14:56,829 it it was prior to there it is right 296 00:15:04,110 --> 00:15:00,040 there you just had it can you please 297 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:04,120 explain to our audience how Kodak ever 298 00:15:09,869 --> 00:15:07,769 even thought there was a 1940s era film 299 00:15:11,819 --> 00:15:09,879 associated with it and Frank did you 300 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:11,829 find that letter because you just had it 301 00:15:17,309 --> 00:15:15,310 up multiple times I think is it no it's 302 00:15:20,369 --> 00:15:17,319 not it was the one prior to this well 303 00:15:22,259 --> 00:15:20,379 let's Phil answer the question can you 304 00:15:23,369 --> 00:15:22,269 bring up the letter so we can see it I 305 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:23,379 don't know which one you're talking 306 00:15:27,389 --> 00:15:25,870 about it's the one you just had it up 307 00:15:29,999 --> 00:15:27,399 prior to this one with the yellow 308 00:15:34,699 --> 00:15:30,009 lettering on it it said written on it in 309 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:34,709 red I think it's the one I've had up all 310 00:15:39,869 --> 00:15:37,540 it's not this one it's the one part of 311 00:15:45,780 --> 00:15:39,879 that it's actually in handwritten words 312 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:45,790 says Kodak on it in red yes go ahead 313 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:49,600 it's not this letter Frank it's the one 314 00:15:54,090 --> 00:15:51,850 that there that's it right there 315 00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:54,100 go ahead see you keep bringing it up and 316 00:16:02,249 --> 00:15:57,279 then it keeps going back out again that 317 00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:02,259 one you just had it up go ahead 318 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:05,620 Sparrow's what I can explain 319 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:09,809 I can explain how the confusion occurred 320 00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,290 in essence what we did we knew that if 321 00:16:22,049 --> 00:16:16,959 we were to we were able to convince 322 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:22,059 Kodak that this is a 1947 film yeah then 323 00:16:26,970 --> 00:16:24,250 everything else doesn't need to be 324 00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:26,980 argued okay this because I'll explain 325 00:16:33,419 --> 00:16:30,639 what I mean by that yes okay so all we 326 00:16:37,499 --> 00:16:33,429 had to do because we couldn't show them 327 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:37,509 film from 1947 with alien autopsy image 328 00:16:41,170 --> 00:16:38,300 on it 329 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:41,180 and so what we had to do is to whet the 330 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:44,750 appetite of first of all an enthusiast 331 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:48,530 and Bob shell was that enthusiast Bob 332 00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:51,500 shell was a was a film expert he still 333 00:16:56,410 --> 00:16:52,790 is a film expert she's not around 334 00:17:01,330 --> 00:16:56,420 anymore he's he's in prison at the 335 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:01,340 moment but the the idea was this we've 336 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:04,610 got this monumental film and it looks 337 00:17:12,579 --> 00:17:07,910 like it's from Roswell and it looks like 338 00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:12,589 it's 1947 based on the edge markings so 339 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:15,560 we'd like you please to date this film 340 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:19,100 and they if this film was given to a 341 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:22,130 number of people not just one person it 342 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:24,230 was a number of people and you can see 343 00:17:27,340 --> 00:17:25,970 from the amount of codec letters that 344 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:27,350 you've found already and I've got a 345 00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:28,880 couple that you haven't got still-life 346 00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:32,600 to or to find those but in essence this 347 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:36,350 is what happened we can tell you roughly 348 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:38,780 how old the film is based on the edge 349 00:17:44,290 --> 00:17:41,630 code if it's a square and a triangle 350 00:17:49,630 --> 00:17:44,300 which this is it didn't know one of 351 00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:49,640 three years okay 19:27 is ruled out 352 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:53,060 because the makeup of the material was 353 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:56,120 more volatile it was it was a phosphate 354 00:18:01,720 --> 00:17:58,970 phosphorous material it was a sorry 355 00:18:04,030 --> 00:18:01,730 nitrate material and it would explode if 356 00:18:06,130 --> 00:18:04,040 it was left for a long time the 357 00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:06,140 instantly comes combust with movement 358 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:09,500 because the the the the makeup of the 359 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:12,290 metal particles actually moves and the 360 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:15,110 friction causing it to ignite okay now 361 00:18:18,550 --> 00:18:16,850 this is what Ray Santilli heard about 362 00:18:20,650 --> 00:18:18,560 and he didn't realize that it didn't 363 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:20,660 happen in 1947 they stopped using it 364 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:23,330 okay but he thought oh that's great I 365 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:24,830 could just make it all disappear 366 00:18:30,220 --> 00:18:27,700 and I don't show anybody right so that's 367 00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:30,230 that's why he said it deteriorated 368 00:18:34,450 --> 00:18:32,120 beyond Britain nothing there at their 369 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:34,460 films much older than 1947 that are 370 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:37,520 perfectly fine you know and and and if 371 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:38,420 it was fine 372 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:44,270 in 1994 93 when he was saying he already 373 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:46,520 seen it it's not gonna deteriorate in a 374 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:49,510 year or two right that's a nonsense 375 00:18:52,859 --> 00:18:50,950 argument but 376 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:52,869 but this is the thing once you've shown 377 00:18:58,590 --> 00:18:55,210 an expert the expert will automatically 378 00:19:01,440 --> 00:18:58,600 roll out 1927 and they say you know what 379 00:19:03,869 --> 00:19:01,450 it could be 1927 but the makeup of this 380 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:03,879 particular film you're showing me is not 381 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:08,200 that material so it could be 47 or 67 382 00:19:18,859 --> 00:19:11,320 that's all we needed we didn't actually 383 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:22,710 going a piece it's important so once 384 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:26,950 it's 40 when you see the 47 or 67 all we 385 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,529 need to do now is go to the film 386 00:19:37,769 --> 00:19:31,840 industry and say to the special effects 387 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:37,779 people Kodak had said it's 47 or 67 and 388 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:40,690 they will say well we couldn't create 389 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:46,330 this special effect in 1967 so so it's 390 00:19:50,909 --> 00:19:49,330 not a special effect so we're now got is 391 00:19:52,979 --> 00:19:50,919 a piece of film which is very 392 00:19:55,979 --> 00:19:52,989 interesting it's not necessarily an 393 00:20:00,180 --> 00:19:55,989 alien it's something interesting and 394 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:00,190 it's definitely 47 or 67 and then when 395 00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:02,350 you start to dissect the pieces in the 396 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:04,869 film like on telephone and the clock and 397 00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:07,210 the pieces around they're all thanks for 398 00:20:15,389 --> 00:20:10,840 his forties right so what we did was we 399 00:20:18,479 --> 00:20:15,399 found known film from 1947 I bought for 400 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:18,489 example pass a news film we actually 401 00:20:24,239 --> 00:20:22,210 found a baseball game which was shot in 402 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:24,249 Roswell it was a college football game 403 00:20:30,299 --> 00:20:27,700 so the the batch number would also marry 404 00:20:32,639 --> 00:20:30,309 up to Roswell so he put city pinpoints 405 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,649 it this batch of film was delivered to 406 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:35,440 Roswell not to Washington not in New 407 00:20:39,899 --> 00:20:38,049 York not to Los Angeles it pinpoints it 408 00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:39,909 to where we want it to be so we got 409 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:43,840 lucky there okay so you you tagged that 410 00:20:48,389 --> 00:20:46,570 piece of film as much of the film as you 411 00:20:50,609 --> 00:20:48,399 can before you see anything of 412 00:20:52,379 --> 00:20:50,619 recognizable image for example if you 413 00:20:55,529 --> 00:20:52,389 saw a person's face on it no good to us 414 00:20:58,409 --> 00:20:55,539 so as it happens they were shot the 415 00:21:01,950 --> 00:20:58,419 cameraman shot a number of feet of film 416 00:21:03,659 --> 00:21:01,960 of the floor as he walked along and he 417 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:03,669 lifted the camera up and he got a few 418 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:04,690 steps and then 419 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:06,970 door way before you went into the 420 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:08,530 dressing room where there were people 421 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,710 dressing for baseball game okay before 422 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:13,840 we saw the people all you see is a 423 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:16,090 doorway and a slight look of a table 424 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:18,220 nessam it was actually the therapy table 425 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:20,830 the massage table so we didn't want to 426 00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:22,270 use that because they had a sheet on it 427 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:23,740 you wouldn't have a sheet in an autopsy 428 00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:27,580 table so doorway so do we need to be 429 00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:29,680 showing the little slides then from that 430 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:33,430 canister at all right and Frank let me 431 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:35,470 ask you a question can you please show 432 00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:38,140 that Kodak letter it has it says Kodak 433 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:40,270 on it in red because we're looking at 434 00:21:44,490 --> 00:21:42,070 the wrong letter right now everybody 435 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:44,500 needs to see that Kodak letter it's in 436 00:21:47,670 --> 00:21:45,310 handwriting 437 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:47,680 it says Kodak and red it was prior to 438 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:49,540 this yellow one you've shown it multiple 439 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:51,370 times and you keep going back to this 440 00:21:56,610 --> 00:21:55,330 letter right here I'm not sure where it 441 00:22:00,930 --> 00:21:56,620 is or what you're talking about so let's 442 00:22:04,050 --> 00:22:00,940 just keep moving it so it says Kodak the 443 00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:04,060 word Kodak on it in red and it also says 444 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:13,660 letter so it's keep going we've worked 445 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,370 very hard to get these letters and I 446 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:16,960 would like the audience to be able to 447 00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:19,300 see them they also haven't been seen for 448 00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,790 years so it's really important that all 449 00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:24,640 of this stuff that Phil's worked very 450 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:27,070 hard to get actually gets seen for this 451 00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:29,230 podcast that should be done based on 452 00:22:32,490 --> 00:22:30,670 your description that works like that's 453 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:32,500 I've got me now but there's gonna be a 454 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:34,990 delay we've actually seen the letter 455 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:36,850 multiple times you've brought it up and 456 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:38,830 it says Kodak and red written and 457 00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:40,780 handwriting okay but there's a delay 458 00:22:48,030 --> 00:22:44,680 between what I bring up and then that 459 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:48,040 that's it that's the letter we're 460 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:52,180 talking about and okay so now you 461 00:23:00,150 --> 00:22:55,690 actually Frank were able to show that 462 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,160 index card and the index card is about 463 00:23:07,650 --> 00:23:03,840 it's about like that big and it has 464 00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,660 lines through it and it says KO da on it 465 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:09,760 and then some strange little symbols on 466 00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:10,150 it 467 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:12,820 if if you can show that and then also 468 00:23:18,510 --> 00:23:15,940 show the film canister that shows this 469 00:23:20,790 --> 00:23:18,520 the little slides that would be great it 470 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:20,800 the green post-it note on it and the 471 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:22,810 film canister with the with a few slides 472 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:25,300 and at little bits of slides if you can 473 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:26,830 find that that would be great 474 00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:28,750 because that's what Spiros is going to 475 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:33,550 talk about right now okay yeah what you 476 00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:35,790 see in in the code I like this as well 477 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:40,060 guys is that recently Ray Santilli did 478 00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:43,710 an interview online and he said that 479 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:46,750 Kodak wouldn't go wouldn't test the film 480 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:48,490 because they they didn't want to be 481 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:51,160 associated with UFOs or aliens 482 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:56,050 well Kodak said nothing of the kind they 483 00:24:02,820 --> 00:23:58,570 were you know they were very well aware 484 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:02,830 of what what the what the film was 485 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:05,710 alleged to depict and they made it quite 486 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:07,330 clear they wouldn't comment on that but 487 00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:09,610 they would quite gladly free-of-charge 488 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:12,220 test the film for its age and they gave 489 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:14,230 you an idea of how that process would 490 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:16,450 work what is interesting I mean it's I 491 00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,510 contacted Kodak in the UK which is in 492 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:21,760 the county of Hertfordshire and it's not 493 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:23,530 that far from where is Antony himself 494 00:24:28,650 --> 00:24:26,890 actually lives so he could have quite 495 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:28,660 easily quickly have driven a piece of 496 00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:31,270 film around and telev it by hand to 497 00:24:37,380 --> 00:24:34,180 Kodak because we had we had worked with 498 00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:37,390 Kodak on and off for a number of years I 499 00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:40,060 was part of the British UFO research 500 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:42,160 Association and myself and my colleagues 501 00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,370 often asked Kodak if they would look at 502 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:47,200 a piece of film or a still photograph 503 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,500 for us again not necessarily to comment 504 00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:53,200 on what the images may depict but to try 505 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:55,390 and clear it up clarify it and rule out 506 00:25:00,540 --> 00:24:58,450 certain things so when some til he says 507 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:00,550 that Kodak you know we're reluctant to 508 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:03,070 go anywhere near it that that is not the 509 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:06,100 case at all there they were certainly in 510 00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:08,140 in the UK there were they couldn't wait 511 00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:09,700 to get their hands on it and not only 512 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:13,300 that not far from where Kodak's HQ is is 513 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:15,580 the British Film Institute who are 514 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:19,030 experts in storing and restoring old 515 00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:21,970 film they volunteered their services 516 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:25,180 free of charge as well so you know the 517 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:28,270 opportunity was there but of course it 518 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:31,510 was never taken um regarding the film 519 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:31,730 that 520 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:34,430 we're seeing right here Spiros can you 521 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:37,010 let us know what is on that film that 522 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:39,650 way we know what those graduated steps 523 00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:43,370 are the sort of the history of it yeah 524 00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:46,160 that's the part of the film I describe 525 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:47,780 to you that they're actually the steps 526 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:52,250 going up into the room what actually 527 00:26:00,910 --> 00:25:54,410 happened when the film was taken to 528 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:00,920 Kodak was the real film the real 1947 529 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:03,110 film with the steps but not alien 530 00:26:08,890 --> 00:26:05,810 autopsy film was spliced that's a 531 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:08,900 special way of sticking it one one piece 532 00:26:15,550 --> 00:26:13,850 of film to another it uses a solution 533 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:15,560 which melts the film together 534 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:18,170 okay sticks it together but it's oh it's 535 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:20,510 very strong and then it was put back 536 00:26:28,270 --> 00:26:23,810 into the canister the original 1947 537 00:26:31,930 --> 00:26:28,280 canister okay it was taken to kodak and 538 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,940 contrary to what Santilli said they 539 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:34,640 weren't told what the film is they 540 00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,500 weren't told this is an alien they 541 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,720 weren't told it was from Roswell all it 542 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:41,600 was was a very casual could you please 543 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:44,990 tell us how old this film is okay now 544 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:47,780 the guy put on his white gloves had a 545 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:50,780 look at the film and he said from the 546 00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:53,210 edge code because it doesn't need to go 547 00:26:58,690 --> 00:26:56,060 any further into the real he only needs 548 00:27:00,610 --> 00:26:58,700 to see the edge code he then looks at 549 00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:00,620 the edge code and it's a square or a 550 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:02,870 triangle and he says well I can tell you 551 00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:06,290 now it's one of these three years then 552 00:27:12,970 --> 00:27:09,190 the film has taken back from him and 553 00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:12,980 very hastily and it's turned its wound 554 00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:17,060 back in again okay and closed and we 555 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,680 said well can you tell us exactly which 556 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:20,480 year it is and he says well you need to 557 00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:22,520 leave it with me so I can chemically 558 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:25,940 test it and at that point it's one sorry 559 00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:28,090 we can't leave it is too valuable oh 560 00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:30,590 well that's all we can give you then 561 00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:33,080 just by the visual test that's all we 562 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,180 can tell you would you mind please 563 00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,760 giving us a letter to say that now 564 00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:40,640 that's all it is so all the guys done 565 00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:43,280 now not even thinking aliens he's not 566 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:45,260 even there it's not even in the 567 00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:47,390 conversation note none of these letters 568 00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:49,640 at the beginning had anything to do with 569 00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:52,430 Roswell or with aliens it just simply 570 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:55,400 said the film we have seen could be one 571 00:28:00,670 --> 00:27:58,250 of the three these three years it will 572 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:00,680 need further testing to determine which 573 00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:01,910 one okay 574 00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:03,920 words for that effect on paraphrasing 575 00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:06,680 now but that first letter was all sent 576 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:10,160 allene eaded he didn't need any more and 577 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:14,000 at this point a spy rose you guys are 578 00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:15,290 just a basically still in that 579 00:28:18,970 --> 00:28:16,700 pre-production this hasn't been 580 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:18,980 broadcast anywhere you guys are just you 581 00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:21,710 still that's right now what has happened 582 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:25,460 at this point he had developed when I 583 00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:28,370 when I developed the film I took it to 584 00:28:32,530 --> 00:28:30,740 the lab and I sat with it and and when 585 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:32,540 once they develop it what they did for 586 00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:37,910 me was they ran it through a telling us 587 00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:42,200 P copy on video so I was able to carry 588 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:44,030 on editing because I would I edited on 589 00:28:53,050 --> 00:28:48,310 on video and the the film in the real 590 00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:53,060 wasn't edited material so it just had 591 00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:55,880 image clean images as they were shot so 592 00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,210 in the case of Bob shell what happened 593 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:01,520 with Bob shell was the film that we 594 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:04,910 spliced together once you got past the 595 00:29:09,910 --> 00:29:08,090 steps you then go to the autopsy room 596 00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:09,920 and you go a bit further and then you 597 00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:14,150 see image of an alien but this is the 598 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,340 piece of film that we chose has no edge 599 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:18,080 markings on it because it they don't 600 00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:19,490 happen all the time they come back every 601 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:22,670 few feet so you've got quite a bit in on 602 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:24,860 a small can the canister you're showing 603 00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:28,880 there is 400 feet okay so each role in a 604 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:31,580 camera is 50 feet so there's four roles 605 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:34,070 that make up one of those canisters but 606 00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:36,050 what we actually did was we only use one 607 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:38,030 role and a bit of leader so it wasn't a 608 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:40,850 full can of film so once you've taken it 609 00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:43,850 out and you play the game right what you 610 00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:45,560 do is you put the white gloves on and 611 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:47,420 you say I'm sorry I'd rather you didn't 612 00:29:53,290 --> 00:29:49,610 touch it it's too precious let me show 613 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:53,300 you okay so I roll out the film and I 614 00:29:58,060 --> 00:29:56,210 show the square and the triangle and the 615 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:58,070 images that are on that piece of footage 616 00:30:01,450 --> 00:29:59,090 are not 617 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:01,460 to do with the alien autopsy he then 618 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:03,370 makes a note square in a triangle 619 00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:07,490 without him asking I then roll it past 620 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:09,830 us the splice could I can feel the step 621 00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,210 you know when you have a two piece of 622 00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:13,039 film one one stuck to the other you can 623 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:15,620 feel a little step right I feel the step 624 00:30:19,779 --> 00:30:17,809 I feel the step and I keep my fingers 625 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:19,789 pressed on the step so he can't see his 626 00:30:25,529 --> 00:30:22,730 splice he can't specie adjoin and as I 627 00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:25,539 roll it further he now sees clearly 628 00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:30,350 image of alien he sees it and just as 629 00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:32,990 he's in awe and his jaws dropped and he 630 00:30:37,629 --> 00:30:36,200 wants to see more sorry listen I'm not 631 00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,639 really comfortable with and you turn it 632 00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:39,279 right back in again and you chose a lid 633 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:43,580 um go ahead I'm not sorry I'm not 634 00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:45,230 comfortable with you and listen I let's 635 00:30:49,899 --> 00:30:46,580 just leave it at that you've seen enough 636 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:49,909 at that point he says I need three 637 00:30:55,299 --> 00:30:52,730 frames and I can do a chemical test to 638 00:30:58,019 --> 00:30:55,309 determine the exact date and Santilli 639 00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:58,029 said there's no way we're going to 640 00:31:04,749 --> 00:31:01,700 sacrifice three frames of this film it's 641 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:04,759 too valuable and I said why don't we 642 00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:07,850 just you why don't we give mr. shale 643 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:11,240 three frames of the the dead stuffed of 644 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:13,730 the leader that isn't valuable the steps 645 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:15,710 the you know before before we see the 646 00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:18,289 action and he's so desperate to be part 647 00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:21,559 of this to be the guy he's so desperate 648 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:23,990 to be the guy who tested the alien 649 00:31:30,909 --> 00:31:27,289 autopsy footage he agreed and he took 650 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:30,919 three frames of non alien image on right 651 00:31:36,129 --> 00:31:34,369 and when he was interviewed after he 652 00:31:39,999 --> 00:31:36,139 tested it I did the filming of that 653 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:40,009 interview and we didn't show the first 654 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:42,950 bit where he says although I didn't film 655 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:44,570 anything with alien all took the image 656 00:31:50,289 --> 00:31:48,110 on it the footage that I've tested nice 657 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:50,299 that's where I started the footage that 658 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:54,110 I've tested so far it is clearly in 1947 659 00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:56,570 from the makeup from the chemical 660 00:32:02,739 --> 00:31:59,210 process from the all the various things 661 00:32:06,899 --> 00:32:02,749 that he tested and he explains that the 662 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:06,909 artifacts within that film are shot in 663 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:10,940 1947 and processed soon after so it 664 00:32:16,990 --> 00:32:12,920 diminished any question that may 665 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:17,000 this is old film shot today and then 666 00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:20,090 processed today and then pretending to 667 00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:23,560 be old ok so if you've got unexposed 668 00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:26,990 1947 film if you manage to buy some and 669 00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:29,720 you shot it today the the chemical 670 00:32:36,670 --> 00:32:32,600 testing would show that it was it was 671 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:36,680 developed today not in 47 and also she 672 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:39,790 and it will also show that it was it was 673 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:45,530 exposed today and not in 1947 that's 674 00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:47,210 really important for people understand 675 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:49,040 those details those aren't just details 676 00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:51,950 those are really key things that people 677 00:33:03,940 --> 00:32:55,880 need to understand below the myth of the 678 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:03,950 mythology of this film away film today 679 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:05,810 and you can well you know what I know 680 00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:08,180 that and I could have done that I could 681 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:10,400 have done it easier in 95 because there 682 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,440 was more of it around you know the 683 00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:14,240 longer time goes by the less of its 684 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:17,060 around but at the time I could have done 685 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:19,850 that but I I know that it doesn't matter 686 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:22,610 if you keep film in a in a metal 687 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:25,930 canister in a fridge for the whole time 688 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:30,890 it continues to expose via background 689 00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:33,650 radiation what that means is the the 690 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:37,160 particles within the film expose by 691 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,410 themselves so little dots start to 692 00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:42,320 expose over time when you then use that 693 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:45,920 film and make a film today those exposed 694 00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:49,850 areas of particles will be there on top 695 00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:51,740 of whatever footage you shoot today 696 00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:54,140 and that tells whoever's looking at it 697 00:34:01,260 --> 00:33:57,560 that this is this film has had radiation 698 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:01,270 exposure over time before it was filmed 699 00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:04,490 to expose the image it's called fogging 700 00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:09,590 in in in in in now terms it's a kind of 701 00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:11,419 and sometimes has a milky look to the 702 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,750 footage has a milky look you'll feel it 703 00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:16,399 you can tell you can tell that it is a 704 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:19,399 new footage if it is it is an old film 705 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:22,070 shot today Frank you know me favorite 706 00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:24,770 show all the artifacts that way people 707 00:34:28,990 --> 00:34:26,780 can see all of the letter 708 00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:29,000 related to the Kodak because there's 709 00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:31,700 like three or four Kodak letters that 710 00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:33,560 are really important that people need to 711 00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:37,190 see all right I wanted to bring up 712 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:39,020 something really important Spiros so we 713 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:43,310 had not had the opportunity to really I 714 00:34:47,649 --> 00:34:45,260 would I would just like to bring it up 715 00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:47,659 again if that's okay by you because then 716 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:51,260 we can get Phil's take on it it's really 717 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:53,030 important for Phil to hone in on this 718 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:54,970 conversation while you're talking about 719 00:35:01,720 --> 00:34:58,570 something regarding the alien autopsy 720 00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:01,730 memo which was dropped on imgur on June 721 00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:04,640 3rd if you go to page slash you know let 722 00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,860 us all eight on that and let's get to 723 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:08,240 that but what's that continue on in 724 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:10,250 chronological order at this point in 725 00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:12,770 time after you had met with mr. shell 726 00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:15,230 there Spyros was it that was that about 727 00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:17,840 time to take this video to market and 728 00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:21,260 get it on TV around the world the yeah 729 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:24,440 the the film had already been edited by 730 00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:27,710 the times bob shot see Bob shell came 731 00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:32,000 down to London and I was just a 732 00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:35,900 cameraman I was filming interviews and I 733 00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:38,360 was I was helping out I didn't nobody 734 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:41,540 knew who I was in the mix we went to a 735 00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,250 Chinese restaurant I'm not sure build 736 00:35:47,290 --> 00:35:44,960 you've probably been to the Singapore 737 00:35:51,070 --> 00:35:47,300 gardens have you yeah several times yes 738 00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:51,080 yeah it was one of his favorite haunts 739 00:35:58,090 --> 00:35:54,560 very local to his office and we all went 740 00:36:01,450 --> 00:35:58,100 down to this Chinese restaurant and had 741 00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:01,460 a lovely meal and discussed the the film 742 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:05,660 and bombshell was so so happy to be 743 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,770 involved that he didn't he didn't make a 744 00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:12,560 fuss about anything he knew that if he 745 00:36:17,470 --> 00:36:14,750 insisted on something and became a bit 746 00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:17,480 hard he would be too much hard work and 747 00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:20,860 we would go elsewhere and he he was very 748 00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:23,870 than what you found how you found him 749 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:25,580 Phil but I found him to be quite a 750 00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:28,730 pleasant guy he was he was just going 751 00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:30,950 with the flow he wanted to be part of 752 00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:34,040 this and yeah I found me a very affable 753 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:36,590 gentleman extremely knowledgeable about 754 00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,210 all things film and cameras 755 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:41,520 and and yes he did it did want to get 756 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,430 involved without without a question yeah 757 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:46,800 we if we can hold on that little piece 758 00:36:52,819 --> 00:36:50,880 for example imagine this okay Santi 759 00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,829 Lee's got the most monumental piece of 760 00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,140 film the world has ever seen 761 00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,540 in its history okay you think about that 762 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:00,480 for a second okay and you are a film 763 00:37:06,799 --> 00:37:03,650 buff you you were editor of a 764 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:06,809 photographic and film magazine you want 765 00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,210 to make a mark in this world and you 766 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,980 want to say you know what he could have 767 00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,200 taken this anywhere but I'm the guy I'm 768 00:37:17,299 --> 00:37:15,119 the guy that's or at first 769 00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,309 I'm the guy that tested it so this is 770 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:20,640 his motivation because Kodak had zero 771 00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:23,880 motivation because Kodak was a number of 772 00:37:29,569 --> 00:37:26,339 employees behind the desk and they 773 00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:29,579 didn't care about this film okay because 774 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:31,380 they didn't know it was so this is what 775 00:37:35,809 --> 00:37:34,050 I'm trying to drum in is that Santi 776 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:35,819 Lee's argument that oh they don't like 777 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:38,670 to get involved in the UFO subject you 778 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:40,770 know what that didn't happen until well 779 00:37:45,799 --> 00:37:43,980 after the film was released it was it 780 00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:45,809 was too late by that time we'd already 781 00:37:50,359 --> 00:37:47,579 got the letters we'd already got it 782 00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:50,369 dated as as bet as best as it we could 783 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:53,220 get it dated we didn't need Kodak any 784 00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:56,609 further okay so at that time Kodak 785 00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:00,119 didn't care who did care the one-man 786 00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:03,000 band who is an expert in the field who 787 00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:05,369 wants to make a name for himself okay 788 00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:08,520 and that was very very lucky for us 789 00:38:14,539 --> 00:38:11,940 because when we played the good cop bad 790 00:38:16,309 --> 00:38:14,549 cop you know where Ray would say long 791 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:16,319 sorry you can't have any film and then 792 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:18,180 I'm good cop well he can or you can't 793 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,650 have a little bit of this film this is 794 00:38:23,809 --> 00:38:22,140 not very valuable what oh yeah I suppose 795 00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:23,819 you can have a bit of that film so so 796 00:38:28,309 --> 00:38:26,280 I'm doing the talking for Bob shell Bob 797 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:28,319 shell hasn't got to say well can I have 798 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,210 a little piece of this film because he 799 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,440 doesn't know if he pushes his luck too 800 00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,720 far he doesn't he hasn't got the 801 00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:36,119 confidence to say they could drop me at 802 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:39,420 any time now so I'm filling in the gaps 803 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:42,210 and saying what's what she'll wants to 804 00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:44,790 say but when I'm saying can't he have a 805 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:48,180 piece of steps that doesn't matter 806 00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:50,490 Bob shell is thinking I'd rather have a 807 00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,100 piece of film with an alien on it but 808 00:38:56,780 --> 00:38:55,920 anything will do right now and we live 809 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,790 to fight another day 810 00:39:01,040 --> 00:38:58,560 because I'm in the mix at this point 811 00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,050 later maybe I can persuade them to give 812 00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:03,300 me some more film with a lien on it 813 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:06,660 okay exactly yeah but for the time being 814 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:09,510 I've bitten the hook and Santilli is 815 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:11,370 reeling me in that's what was going on 816 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:14,880 so when we gave him three frames of 817 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:17,930 nothing right he was he was made up 818 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:20,070 because it's better than nothing 819 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:22,620 yeah he was a fanboy basically a fanboy 820 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:25,500 no let's go yeah just just to be clear 821 00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:27,510 the the three frames you gave him more 822 00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:30,540 leader from the Roswell football game is 823 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:35,940 that about right yes okay thank you so 824 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,770 much I appreciate that now I would like 825 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:39,300 to go ahead and point out I've already 826 00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:41,930 shared the link in the chat room 827 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:47,820 regarding the alien autopsy memo so 828 00:39:53,470 --> 00:39:50,010 everybody can go there with us and I've 829 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:53,480 also shared it on skype with Spiros 830 00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,010 chant let's stay in chronological order 831 00:40:01,040 --> 00:39:58,680 here we are Frank because this is 832 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:01,050 something that's important that we have 833 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,510 to bring up because there's 40 years of 834 00:40:07,070 --> 00:40:05,040 this film that we have to talk about 835 00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:07,080 there's got to be a point where we get 836 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:09,150 the opportunity to bring up we can get 837 00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:11,250 to it we will get we have plenty of time 838 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:14,070 we have plenty of Barza the marketing 839 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:16,230 goes I mean who is a who's that there 840 00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:18,770 you've got this ready to go you've got 841 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,740 the the the film gentleman and he's 842 00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:25,680 backed up by your claims and now you're 843 00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,240 now you're taking it there to getting it 844 00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,460 sold who's doing the heavy lifting on 845 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:32,280 that is that Santa my on get miss 846 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:34,290 sparrows here again may I just go back 847 00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,910 one little bit because there's something 848 00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:37,500 I just thought about which I've never 849 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:39,900 thought about before which is quite 850 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:42,290 pertinent to a lot of arguments turn 851 00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:44,760 around and I think Phil the find is 852 00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:48,300 interesting as well here's here's 853 00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:49,830 something just just this second thought 854 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:53,580 about which which nails it we did have a 855 00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,330 number of known films from 1947 that we 856 00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,800 bought okay 857 00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:01,260 one of them was a sailing film another 858 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,510 one was a path a news film and other one 859 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:06,540 was the baseball game and we 860 00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:08,670 did use quite a lot of all of those 861 00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:10,980 films but here's an interesting thing I 862 00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:12,750 just stumbled on okay this is it this is 863 00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:14,550 it exclusive by the way it's not me I've 864 00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:15,660 never mentioned this before the other 865 00:41:21,850 --> 00:41:16,980 I've only just thought about it 866 00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:21,860 Bob shell is on film yes and he confirms 867 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:27,000 that the film he tested is camera 868 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:30,930 original material okay very important 869 00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:35,040 because when you put in a film into a 870 00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:38,340 camera and you take the film you film it 871 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:41,400 you could either film a negative which 872 00:41:46,850 --> 00:41:43,170 then needs have to be processed and then 873 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:46,860 copied onto a positive or you can film a 874 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:50,450 positive directions in the canister okay 875 00:41:57,110 --> 00:41:54,930 so he he did state in my interview with 876 00:42:00,680 --> 00:41:57,120 him at the Singapore Gardens he did 877 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:00,690 state the film he had tested was camera 878 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:07,050 original material later kodak tested but 879 00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:13,410 sorry not kodak who it was maybe film 880 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:15,480 fill be able to fill us in but somebody 881 00:42:23,050 --> 00:42:18,570 else tested and said the film that they 882 00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:23,060 tested was a duplicate and it had a 883 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:25,800 square and a triangle on it so it was a 884 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,410 it was a mass-produced duplicate film 885 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:30,720 from an original from a camera original 886 00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:35,490 and that tells us everything we need to 887 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:41,670 know because they cannot be two to lots 888 00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:44,220 of the same film where it's either 889 00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,670 camera ridge original or it's copy fill 890 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:48,960 are you a do four billion what I'm 891 00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:49,620 talking about 892 00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:53,550 absolutely because a couple of frames of 893 00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:55,110 film that sound Tilia gave me well 894 00:43:05,210 --> 00:42:57,990 actually ever showed two sailors on it 895 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:05,220 as well well I mean we pestered the 896 00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:07,050 living daylights out I think we just 897 00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:09,180 trying to shut us up but like you said 898 00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:10,920 you know bob was desperate to get 899 00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:14,040 anything and he wasn't the only one you 900 00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:18,150 know and it was correct that the idea 901 00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:20,380 was well I'll take what they give me now 902 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:23,500 and hopefully essentially has as 903 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:26,230 promised there is a chance we'll get 904 00:43:32,759 --> 00:43:30,329 other images later down the line and 905 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:32,769 you're right gentleman by the name of 906 00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:36,130 Neil Morris has looked into this and he 907 00:43:42,269 --> 00:43:38,230 said this this bit of film on that bit 908 00:43:45,029 --> 00:43:42,279 of film is not camera original it's a 909 00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:45,039 duplicate you know so that supports 910 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:46,390 everything you're saying this Burroughs 911 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:48,609 absolutely and they're fill-in this time 912 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:50,950 frame are you skeptical of all this are 913 00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:52,420 you all in and think hey these guys 914 00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:54,460 really have something or what what's 915 00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:55,630 your feeling about all this at this 916 00:44:01,049 --> 00:43:59,650 point well I didn't really know what to 917 00:44:04,049 --> 00:44:01,059 think I mean there was conflicting 918 00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,059 statements coming even then from Santee 919 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:06,880 Lee's office you know they the the 920 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:09,849 narrative changed as as the weeks and 921 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,849 months went by my idea was to in public 922 00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:18,400 into Sam till his faith was to support 923 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:20,980 him because as Spiro says quite rightly 924 00:44:28,769 --> 00:44:26,410 pointed out if you drove too hard at 925 00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:28,779 Santilli would just cut you off so you 926 00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:31,150 would get no information whatsoever that 927 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:34,420 would be the end of it and for example 928 00:44:40,349 --> 00:44:37,450 the late Stanton Friedman faxed ray a a 929 00:44:42,359 --> 00:44:40,359 list of demands not requests or 930 00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:42,369 questions but demands and son till he 931 00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:44,559 just said who is this fella and he never 932 00:44:50,759 --> 00:44:47,470 cooperated with him ever again so it was 933 00:44:51,329 --> 00:44:50,769 quite clear that if you took that stance 934 00:44:52,769 --> 00:44:51,339 with Ray 935 00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:52,779 you weren't going to get anything so in 936 00:44:59,609 --> 00:44:56,710 public I I supported the film to raise 937 00:45:01,170 --> 00:44:59,619 face or in private I supported it but 938 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:01,180 behind the scenes I was just trying to 939 00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:03,450 figure out what on earth was going on 940 00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,220 because there were several ideas of what 941 00:45:12,269 --> 00:45:08,220 the film may depict 942 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:12,279 you know something from Roswell an alien 943 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:14,410 there were others that thought it was 944 00:45:20,789 --> 00:45:17,490 some kind of deformed human being and 945 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:20,799 this was some kind of snuff movie and 946 00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,210 there was there was those who said that 947 00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:25,920 it's a it's a write out and how hoax and 948 00:45:30,839 --> 00:45:28,420 just recently for example one of the 949 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:30,849 main protagonists of the film at the 950 00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:33,530 time was a an airline pilot called Ken 951 00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,230 Jeffrey he was pops it was researching 952 00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,200 rose wallet and I got him an invitation 953 00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:41,900 to view the film when ray showed it in 954 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:45,830 private on May the fifth and I did a 95 955 00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:51,530 yeah 1995 okay and even though Kent was 956 00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:54,080 like I said one of the main protagonists 957 00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:56,510 he actually believed that the film was 958 00:46:02,290 --> 00:45:59,450 indeed real and that it did show a 959 00:46:06,070 --> 00:46:02,300 deformed human being and not a 960 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:06,080 special-effects recreation or a stunt 961 00:46:12,610 --> 00:46:10,910 but a real real piece of film and so we 962 00:46:14,590 --> 00:46:12,620 you know there were others thought this 963 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:14,600 was some kind of military propaganda 964 00:46:20,770 --> 00:46:17,510 film that somehow you know leaked out 965 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:20,780 into the public domain so there was all 966 00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:22,910 kinds of conflicting stories and as a 967 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:24,950 pointed out rate until he himself would 968 00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:28,150 change his stories as the days passed 969 00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:33,260 but my idea was you know when I first 970 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:36,140 saw any of this film was that the only 971 00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:38,690 way perhaps were going to get to the 972 00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:40,940 bottom of it is to get it into the 973 00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:41,660 public domain 974 00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:45,430 now this juncture essentially had no 975 00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:48,260 television or anything involved he was 976 00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:52,670 going to market this himself on a VHS 977 00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:56,270 video and no DVDs knows days this was 978 00:47:01,870 --> 00:46:58,730 video and I think he sold it for 979 00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:01,880 something like you know thirty pounds a 980 00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:03,560 time or something like that so he did 981 00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,260 actually make the video as well and it 982 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:09,200 was only later that that when the news 983 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:11,930 got out into the newspapers that the TV 984 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:14,330 and everything came along so you know it 985 00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:18,770 changed he stands in that respect but 986 00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:22,940 what we hoped would happen is that when 987 00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,150 it was out in the public domain that 988 00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:27,440 someone would step forward and say 989 00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,620 that's me I'm one of the actors on there 990 00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:33,440 you know or I supplied the props I was 991 00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:36,740 shot in my studio Oh someone would come 992 00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:39,080 forward and say you know my grandfather 993 00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,540 told was shown around the world 994 00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:44,720 literally and it was like that you know 995 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:47,390 the old tumbleweed scene on a movie 996 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:50,930 absolute silence nothing not a squeak 997 00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:51,890 not a peep 998 00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:54,920 nothing at all happened nobody came 999 00:48:00,310 --> 00:47:58,670 forward at all so we were back to square 1000 00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:00,320 one and the only thing we could work 1001 00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:04,520 with but this point was the actual VHS 1002 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:07,550 video what we see on the video we had no 1003 00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:09,770 film to analyze Santilli kept promising 1004 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:14,000 film but it never turned up of course so 1005 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:16,610 you know we had to go with and work with 1006 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:21,250 what we had and that's how we proceeded 1007 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:25,490 yeah hold on the artifacts that you've 1008 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:27,950 brought to light can you do a revolving 1009 00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:29,750 show of them Frank so that we can see 1010 00:48:34,810 --> 00:48:32,140 all them because Phil how long did it 1011 00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:34,820 how long have you held on to these 1012 00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:36,950 artifacts so that we can see them all 1013 00:48:41,650 --> 00:48:39,230 for Frank to show us in a slideshow here 1014 00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:41,660 that's sort of the point of this podcast 1015 00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:44,030 aside from other things were bring up is 1016 00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:47,180 to see these it's an exclusive that Phil 1017 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:49,340 is given to us Frank could you please 1018 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:51,410 show all of those artifacts so that we 1019 00:48:53,590 --> 00:48:52,850 can see all them and Phil I have a 1020 00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,600 question for you 1021 00:48:58,060 --> 00:48:56,000 how long have you held onto these 1022 00:49:02,170 --> 00:48:58,070 artifacts that you found regarding the 1023 00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,180 alien autopsy and would also like to 1024 00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:04,640 know how did you discover them if you 1025 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:06,260 could keep that short because I have 1026 00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:08,510 another question that I will bring up 1027 00:49:13,630 --> 00:49:10,670 and that is related to the alien autopsy 1028 00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:13,640 memo right after this yeah well I 1029 00:49:19,210 --> 00:49:16,670 actually have original faxes from rain 1030 00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:19,220 Santilli from 1993 which is when he 1031 00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:21,560 first contacted me the letters from 1032 00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:25,840 Kodak are all circa 1995 or there abouts 1033 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:28,760 the other artifacts the film canister 1034 00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:30,530 with the the notes and and what I've 1035 00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:33,470 yeah they probably originate from around 1036 00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:36,200 the year 2000 2001 I couldn't give you a 1037 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:39,830 definitive date on those so they you 1038 00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:41,810 know when we started this this was the 1039 00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:44,180 pre-internet days jumped so there wasn't 1040 00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:44,990 only emails 1041 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:49,840 it was fax phone letter or in person 1042 00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:51,890 unfortunately some of the factors have 1043 00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:56,180 degraded down the years burnt am I 1044 00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:59,270 I used to type my letters to Santa Li on 1045 00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,310 an electronic typewriter and keep cop 1046 00:50:06,550 --> 00:50:04,640 so I've got all these in a file so when 1047 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:06,560 we were talking about you know what's 1048 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:08,570 been happening I went through my files 1049 00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:11,290 again and here they are this is just 1050 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:14,300 these are only part of a quite a large 1051 00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:16,730 archive of research that I have that 1052 00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:21,440 still on paper and not electronic okay 1053 00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:24,950 now it's just funny because we have 1054 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:26,870 people in the chat room saying that 1055 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:28,970 certain talk-show hosts that are 1056 00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,010 high-profile believe that these are all 1057 00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:33,200 real and that's just hilarious to me 1058 00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,960 because that I personally think one of 1059 00:50:39,790 --> 00:50:37,520 those talk-show hosts I will not say 1060 00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:39,800 which one actually knows this is not 1061 00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:42,710 real but they have a monetize channel 1062 00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:45,560 and they're making I believe pretty good 1063 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:47,990 money from this topic so why in fact 1064 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:49,250 would they want to say it's a hoax 1065 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:51,410 because if they did that's the end of it 1066 00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:52,610 and they don't have any more 1067 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:55,160 ching-ching-ching going on in their 1068 00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:55,730 wallets 1069 00:50:59,680 --> 00:50:58,100 the longer they string this out is real 1070 00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,690 well of course they're going to make 1071 00:51:04,180 --> 00:51:01,280 more money it's very simple math you do 1072 00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:04,190 the math now if you click on that link 1073 00:51:08,770 --> 00:51:06,080 that I went ahead and shared in the 1074 00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:08,780 chatroom and that leads you to the alien 1075 00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:11,870 autopsy memo the alien autopsy memo was 1076 00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:14,660 dropped on imgur a June 3rd it's called 1077 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:17,060 alien autopsy proof email communication 1078 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:20,570 and by the way the word proof is a it's 1079 00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:22,730 laughable because there is no proof 1080 00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:26,540 related to this memo what so ever if you 1081 00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:30,020 go to page two and then you go down to 1 1082 00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:32,990 2 3 4 the fourth paragraph down I'm 1083 00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:34,760 going to read this to you Spiros we've 1084 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:36,500 already gone over this I do 1085 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:40,850 IED spirits want your input on this and 1086 00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:42,530 I do need Phil's input it's really 1087 00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:45,260 important I need to also add this 1088 00:51:51,490 --> 00:51:48,430 disclaimer one reason why we know this 1089 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:51,500 out of many reasons which I will not 1090 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:53,450 list all them here because we don't have 1091 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:54,890 time for it because there's too many 1092 00:51:59,530 --> 00:51:56,570 problems with this memo to even mention 1093 00:52:03,700 --> 00:51:59,540 them all in one podcast here with you 1094 00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:03,710 both but where it says Bill McGarrity 1095 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:06,020 we're gonna read that paragraph Spiros 1096 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:08,450 you and I both know we wondered for a 1097 00:52:14,410 --> 00:52:11,330 moment is it possible that kik green and 1098 00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:14,420 Eric Davis and Colm kill her and all 1099 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:14,710 these 1100 00:52:19,530 --> 00:52:17,140 other folks allegedly talking about this 1101 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:19,540 in this memo we're talking about another 1102 00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:22,930 alien autopsy film well no because you 1103 00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,760 and I both looked over this memo I know 1104 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:27,040 I have probably hundreds of times now 1105 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:29,890 Spiros multiple times and we realize 1106 00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:32,170 nope they keep looping back to the same 1107 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:35,920 18 minute alien autopsy film that you 1108 00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:38,050 created spirits and you are also the 1109 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:40,060 owner of and I'm hoping Frank will show 1110 00:52:45,150 --> 00:52:42,010 that certificate shows that you are the 1111 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:45,160 owner of the alien autopsy movie now it 1112 00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:48,420 says here Bill McGarity and later Colm 1113 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:51,190 contacted Philip mantel and arranged for 1114 00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:52,930 Santilli to get us a first generation 1115 00:52:58,109 --> 00:52:55,750 beta cam video and pieces of the alien 1116 00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:58,119 autopsy film by the way I'm breaking in 1117 00:53:01,260 --> 00:52:58,839 here folks 1118 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:01,270 that is the canister that I'm hoping 1119 00:53:07,410 --> 00:53:04,260 Frank will show it shows an old minister 1120 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:07,420 once I know I know but just to show a 1121 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:09,490 slide of all the pictures I shared with 1122 00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:11,290 you it will eventually come up you'll 1123 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:13,510 see the old canister of film you'll see 1124 00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:16,450 it open you'll see the green memo on 1125 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:18,760 there you'll see the little tiny bits of 1126 00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:21,130 film that we just talked about and 1127 00:53:26,579 --> 00:53:24,190 anyway that is the part that the memo is 1128 00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:26,589 talking about here now somebody knew 1129 00:53:31,740 --> 00:53:30,190 enough on the inside that this actually 1130 00:53:34,589 --> 00:53:31,750 did occur the setting of this 1131 00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:34,599 information to a certain party and it's 1132 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:37,270 detailed here in this memo will detail 1133 00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,609 why later though this email the series 1134 00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:42,160 of emails this entire memo is a hoax 1135 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:45,520 it's not real now it goes on to say this 1136 00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:46,930 was a result of the meeting and 1137 00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:48,820 conversations that took place with you 1138 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:52,000 meaning Bob Bigelow me meaning Eric 1139 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:55,210 Davis Colm meaning Colm Kelleher and 1140 00:53:57,810 --> 00:53:56,080 bill McGarry 1141 00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:57,820 nobody knows who bill McGarrity is 1142 00:54:02,099 --> 00:54:00,430 meaning actually saying yeah I know bill 1143 00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,109 hey cuz I've talked to Phil and he says 1144 00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:04,480 he still doesn't remember him and when 1145 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:07,300 bill came to visit us in June 2000 calm 1146 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:10,270 then had VHS format copies made of the 1147 00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:12,609 beta cam and I sent a copy to kit for 1148 00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:15,070 his professional evaluation now here if 1149 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:17,830 we drop on down it says that the alien 1150 00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,680 autopsy film / video is real the alien 1151 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:22,960 cadaver is real and the cadaver scene in 1152 00:54:26,670 --> 00:54:24,609 the film / video is the same as the 1153 00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,680 photos kit saw at the Pentagon during 1154 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:28,480 briefing number two which 1155 00:54:32,579 --> 00:54:30,820 you and I both know that's laughable kid 1156 00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:32,589 never saw anything at the Pentagon is my 1157 00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:34,390 theory during the briefing number two 1158 00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:36,609 that had anything to do with your film 1159 00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:38,710 and I'm gonna read this paragraph KITT 1160 00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,260 said that the alien forensic tissues 1161 00:54:47,069 --> 00:54:43,599 could hypothetically be located at 1162 00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:47,079 Walter Reed Armed Forces for pathology a 1163 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:48,940 medical museum which is not open to the 1164 00:54:56,339 --> 00:54:52,480 public and so on and then now Spears 1165 00:54:58,890 --> 00:54:56,349 it also says later on in in this in this 1166 00:55:01,500 --> 00:54:58,900 memo in all caps because kid is 1167 00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:01,510 responding in all caps that there's like 1168 00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:03,940 a three chambered heart and there's no 1169 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,310 aorta there's no anus can you please 1170 00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:09,040 explain why this is such a laughable 1171 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:13,000 point it's just ridiculous regarding 1172 00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:16,410 this memo why it's just not real at all 1173 00:55:21,089 --> 00:55:18,940 well anyone that's seen the alien 1174 00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:21,099 autopsy will see that you cannot see an 1175 00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,180 anus there is no visible means to 1176 00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,760 determine that that's why when I spoke 1177 00:55:31,310 --> 00:55:29,440 to you the first time I said but wonder 1178 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:31,320 if they're talking about something else 1179 00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:34,930 but they keep talking about this film 1180 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:36,430 nothing else okay 1181 00:55:42,089 --> 00:55:38,490 and I know there is no other footage 1182 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:42,099 because I created what we've got what 1183 00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:43,930 we've got now as the alien autopsy the 1184 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,390 18 minutes are we talking about so how 1185 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:48,880 does he know anything about the heart 1186 00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:52,150 when the heart was not opened it was not 1187 00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:54,310 cut open how does he know how many 1188 00:56:01,920 --> 00:55:57,250 chambers are in the heart how does he 1189 00:56:03,329 --> 00:56:01,930 know it's all made up we did try to give 1190 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:03,339 them the benefit of the doubt and say 1191 00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,220 you know what maybe that they're mixing 1192 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:08,079 things up maybe they did see another 1193 00:56:12,059 --> 00:56:10,210 film that's possible right that maybe 1194 00:56:14,849 --> 00:56:12,069 they were the real film and they saw 1195 00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:14,859 that but they they don't talk about 1196 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:17,470 another film right they don't it's all 1197 00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:20,530 about your film and also regarding the 1198 00:56:25,859 --> 00:56:22,599 brain which you will go into and the 1199 00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:25,869 liquid liquification of it right but it 1200 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:29,800 right here on page 6 of the alien 1201 00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:33,130 autopsy memo it says kit says no corpus 1202 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:35,800 callosum no Sylvian fissure no temporal 1203 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:38,290 lobe no occipital lobe no vernix no 1204 00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,569 cerebellum no medulla oblongata no 1205 00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:42,160 Ruggie there is no 1206 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:45,849 such thing as brain rug a-and there's no 1207 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:47,650 mistake here either it's not like oh he 1208 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,170 went from brain to guts because later on 1209 00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:53,200 they specify kit does that there's guts 1210 00:57:00,089 --> 00:56:57,220 that he talks about okay rug a is a part 1211 00:57:02,819 --> 00:57:00,099 of the stomach area now how can a 1212 00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,829 scientist mistake the brain for this 1213 00:57:10,499 --> 00:57:05,920 stomach okay the intestine area right so 1214 00:57:12,839 --> 00:57:10,509 right so so just one sec let me look at 1215 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:12,849 something here women so I see the 1216 00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:16,690 scientific part of it correctly so it 1217 00:57:21,450 --> 00:57:19,569 says that rug a is a term which refers 1218 00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:21,460 to the ridges for my tissues which is 1219 00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:25,359 naturally folded and has to do with the 1220 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:28,569 stomach alright and that is very clear 1221 00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:31,089 there's nothing about the brain so when 1222 00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:34,390 it says anything about the brain here it 1223 00:57:40,829 --> 00:57:37,960 is absolutely incorrect and why would a 1224 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:40,839 scientist of this stature make a mistake 1225 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:42,670 between the stomach and the brain so 1226 00:57:46,589 --> 00:57:43,930 it's really important people understand 1227 00:57:48,839 --> 00:57:46,599 that it is absolutely incorrect and the 1228 00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,849 other thing is how can these tissues be 1229 00:57:53,789 --> 00:57:50,799 forensically analyzed they cannot and 1230 00:57:56,670 --> 00:57:53,799 also please tell folks Spiros how there 1231 00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,680 is alien parts in this alien doll that 1232 00:58:03,410 --> 00:57:58,720 was made by John was a John Hughes this 1233 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:03,420 is that the correct name sorry thank you 1234 00:58:11,370 --> 00:58:06,970 actually a lot of the the organs were 1235 00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:11,380 made by me John made the the body but 1236 00:58:17,069 --> 00:58:13,720 the the bits inside the the you know I 1237 00:58:19,710 --> 00:58:17,079 took a liver for example a cow's liver 1238 00:58:22,019 --> 00:58:19,720 and I cut it to a different shape and 1239 00:58:24,809 --> 00:58:22,029 then I dipped it into latex as smooth 1240 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:24,819 off the edges and and put it into the 1241 00:58:32,249 --> 00:58:26,650 into the body there's a number of things 1242 00:58:33,779 --> 00:58:32,259 like that that that we did the the point 1243 00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:33,789 is very very simple 1244 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:37,630 there is no detail not enough detail for 1245 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:40,690 them to be able to talk about this 1246 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:45,450 amount of detail on this document the 1247 00:58:50,819 --> 00:58:48,730 what it looks like to you and I and 1248 00:58:52,019 --> 00:58:50,829 we've discussed it a great debt debt 1249 00:58:55,019 --> 00:58:52,029 handling 1250 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:55,029 this is a cut and paste job yes it's 1251 00:58:59,610 --> 00:58:55,810 both 1252 00:59:01,920 --> 00:58:59,620 by somebody else so kick green may have 1253 00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,930 spoken about reggae somewhere else and 1254 00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,000 someone without the knowledge has just 1255 00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:05,920 taken that piece and pasted it in the 1256 00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:08,590 wrong place exactly right and please 1257 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:10,750 please please point out how there's no 1258 00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:12,250 way anybody would know about the brain 1259 00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:14,920 structure or the organs on the inside of 1260 00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:17,380 the doll could you please be clear about 1261 00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:18,040 that 1262 00:59:24,810 --> 00:59:22,180 information well they're talking about 1263 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:24,820 the the liquidity of the brain I'll tell 1264 00:59:32,310 --> 00:59:26,970 you how we created the brain okay we 1265 00:59:35,310 --> 00:59:32,320 John sculpted the the brain shape that 1266 00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,320 we wanted and made a mold okay like a 1267 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:38,400 jelly mold if you like we then placed 1268 00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:42,490 two sheeps brains side by side within 1269 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:44,950 this mold and then we filled it with 1270 00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:47,890 gelatin the gelatin then hardened and 1271 00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:50,200 then we took it out of the mold and we 1272 00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,150 dipped it into latex to form a membrane 1273 00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,640 skin around the whole thing because a 1274 01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,280 jelly would fall apart right so when you 1275 01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:00,400 see the footage of the brain being 1276 01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:03,430 removed John was able to put his fingers 1277 01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:05,950 into the latex main membrane and pull it 1278 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:08,230 away and it looks so fantastic as an 1279 01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:11,170 effect you know but that's all it is how 1280 01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:16,630 on earth can get green disgust liquidity 1281 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:19,900 of the brain and the structure and it's 1282 01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:23,800 not visible the heart the heart isn't 1283 01:00:29,850 --> 01:00:27,430 visible the heart is is a again it's 1284 01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:29,860 it's a normal heart for it's got four 1285 01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:32,200 chambers but nobody cut it open to see 1286 01:00:37,610 --> 01:00:35,080 in fact what I did was I had a crystal 1287 01:00:40,530 --> 01:00:37,620 that I took from a book that uri geller 1288 01:00:42,810 --> 01:00:40,540 had published at the time and he he on 1289 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:42,820 the cover of this book it said I have 1290 01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,130 personally energized this crystal for 1291 01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:47,440 you you know it's a whole big deal so I 1292 01:00:51,810 --> 01:00:50,020 thought how funny would it be that at 1293 01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,820 some point I will tell the regular you 1294 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:53,440 know what the crystal on the heart of 1295 01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:55,930 the alien was from your book right so I 1296 01:01:00,750 --> 01:00:57,310 did it as a little bit of an in-joke 1297 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:00,760 so we put the we fixed this crystal to 1298 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:02,890 the heart and latex it all around to 1299 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:05,590 make it smooth and covered so when John 1300 01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:07,660 who played this this surgeon as well 1301 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:09,310 when he you 1302 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:12,850 - scalpel to cut the latex membrane and 1303 01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:17,170 remove the crystal it that's all you get 1304 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:20,800 to see of the heart so I don't care who 1305 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:23,170 you are you're a medical doctor if 1306 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:25,690 you're whatever you are you have no 1307 01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:29,890 knowledge of what we've just done yeah 1308 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:32,260 yeah so and one thing I'd like to point 1309 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:36,850 out is this if you are a scientist would 1310 01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:39,130 you rather be known for being this 1311 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:45,670 stupid or for realizing that this is a 1312 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:49,150 hoax now if I'm a scientist 1313 01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:52,090 am i especially regarding the anatomical 1314 01:01:58,890 --> 01:01:55,300 structure of any kind of body whether be 1315 01:02:00,960 --> 01:01:58,900 you know some kind of anything I'm gonna 1316 01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:00,970 make sure that I'm absolutely correct 1317 01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:02,860 and if I need to do more research on it 1318 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:04,660 I'll let everybody know that I don't 1319 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:07,690 know okay but I'm not gonna say that the 1320 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:09,970 brain is the stomach and I'm not gonna 1321 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:12,970 say anything about the heart if I can't 1322 01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:16,090 see it in a doll because it was a doll 1323 01:02:21,690 --> 01:02:18,460 that was made it was not a real alien 1324 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:21,700 and you know it just makes him sound 1325 01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:25,870 like he is that that he has absolutely 1326 01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:29,380 no experience or knowledge regarding the 1327 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:32,470 anatomical structure of the body and 1328 01:02:37,350 --> 01:02:35,770 also how could he know and I know we've 1329 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:37,360 already pointed this out but it's really 1330 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:38,530 important because there's still people 1331 01:02:44,850 --> 01:02:40,810 in the chat room going over this ilion's 1332 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:44,860 real interface in this alien autopsy 1333 01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:47,890 memo there is no way kick green saw the 1334 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:51,880 inside of the alien cadaver which was 1335 01:02:57,810 --> 01:02:54,250 fake in your movie because it was not 1336 01:03:01,560 --> 01:02:57,820 open for anyone to see the organs that 1337 01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:01,570 kit is describing in this email so the 1338 01:03:10,650 --> 01:03:05,020 question is this what was kit looking at 1339 01:03:12,030 --> 01:03:10,660 and was he just playing us no I don't 1340 01:03:15,420 --> 01:03:12,040 think he was blissfully fair I don't 1341 01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:15,430 think he was playing as at all let's 1342 01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:16,990 assume it's a cutting paste job whether 1343 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:20,380 it's real or fake it disappear that at 1344 01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:22,330 some point this may have been presented 1345 01:03:24,990 --> 01:03:22,990 to 1346 01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:25,000 for bigelow you know even though it may 1347 01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:26,950 have been a cut-and-paste yeah just to 1348 01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:29,140 be clear here the part where at Davison 1349 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:31,750 Kelleher make contact with you and ask 1350 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:35,170 for a copy of the video that there that 1351 01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:38,050 absolutely did happen oh absolutely you 1352 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:39,640 know I don't remember a great deal about 1353 01:03:44,910 --> 01:03:41,290 it but I remember Kohn Kelleher 1354 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:44,920 contacting me and and also until he did 1355 01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:47,290 make pizza cam copies because I've got 1356 01:03:52,770 --> 01:03:49,420 one so you know all that he's correct 1357 01:03:55,590 --> 01:03:52,780 but when you look at the content you 1358 01:03:58,830 --> 01:03:55,600 know of this if you remember they were 1359 01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,840 part of Bob Bigelow's organization at 1360 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:00,400 that time the National Institute of 1361 01:04:06,030 --> 01:04:02,170 Discovery Sciences so they were on the 1362 01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:06,040 payroll yes Joby Alexander actually 1363 01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:11,320 hired Eric to be an EDD to check out to 1364 01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:13,360 do research for Bob Bigelow at 1365 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:15,430 skinwalker ranch and we had an interview 1366 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:17,410 with him regarding that the way I look 1367 01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:19,210 at this he's like you said earlier that 1368 01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,900 our certain part of the people are 1369 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:25,119 online where you have to pay to access 1370 01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:27,640 the material so they don't want to call 1371 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:29,830 it a hoax because they want people to 1372 01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:32,170 keep paying to look at oh wow really is 1373 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:35,369 now fantastic it is I view this memo as 1374 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:39,130 being the same kind of thing that they 1375 01:04:46,109 --> 01:04:41,530 were presenting perhaps this to Bob 1376 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:46,119 Bigelow and saying it's real and you can 1377 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:47,770 see all these things on it even though 1378 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:49,570 you can't see them what what Bigelow 1379 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:51,730 know what reggae was you have to look it 1380 01:04:56,490 --> 01:04:54,130 up great but why would kid detail 1381 01:04:57,090 --> 01:04:56,500 something that cannot be seen in that 1382 01:04:59,070 --> 01:04:57,100 film 1383 01:05:02,730 --> 01:04:59,080 that's where aspirated and I understand 1384 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:02,740 what you're saying no but actually 1385 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:06,490 playing Bob Bigelow well I understand 1386 01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,730 that so but see then then no one can say 1387 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:12,160 no kids not in regarding this theory 1388 01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:13,690 he's not playing because he would have 1389 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:15,940 to be playing somebody in order to do 1390 01:05:22,650 --> 01:05:19,450 that because again it comes back to the 1391 01:05:25,290 --> 01:05:22,660 same thing what is kit looking at he 1392 01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:25,300 doesn't have x-ray eyes he cannot see 1393 01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:28,630 inside an alien doll did the doll I 1394 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:30,190 understand what you're saying I 1395 01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,170 understand not for you but for the 1396 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:34,720 audience to understand he could not see 1397 01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:36,850 the organs inside this alien doll 1398 01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:38,860 so if everybody's playing this up for 1399 01:05:44,220 --> 01:05:41,710 Bob Bigelow maybe to get I'm yes I'm 1400 01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:44,230 gonna say it get another paycheck beyond 1401 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:46,300 the payroll in order to do more research 1402 01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:49,210 on something that's not real that's a 1403 01:05:54,780 --> 01:05:51,790 possibility also why do I say that 1404 01:05:57,570 --> 01:05:54,790 because there's no way kid saw any of 1405 01:05:59,580 --> 01:05:57,580 this it could forensic ly analyze it so 1406 01:06:02,850 --> 01:05:59,590 and we know that for a fact 1407 01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:02,860 so then what is he talking about and why 1408 01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:06,520 a good question I'll give you my answers 1409 01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:08,590 why I think he was playing Bob Bigelow I 1410 01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:10,390 think he wanted to keep the money go 1411 01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:12,310 around and it wasn't going to tell him 1412 01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:14,500 well it's a hoax and you can't see 1413 01:06:16,590 --> 01:06:14,950 nothing 1414 01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:16,600 he's actually going to play to the 1415 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:18,670 gallery that gallery was was Robert 1416 01:06:23,790 --> 01:06:21,910 Bigelow and if you look at it in that 1417 01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:23,800 respect you know I would bobble in 1418 01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:26,200 Bigelow be bothered about looking too 1419 01:06:30,660 --> 01:06:28,900 deep he's a billionaire you know is he 1420 01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:30,670 just is he just playing to to Bob 1421 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,190 Bigelow's expectations I don't know I 1422 01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:35,460 think it's a possibility but I certainly 1423 01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:38,020 yeah I thought that's the way I viewed 1424 01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:40,180 it when I looked at it and I like you 1425 01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,240 I've looked at it several times and he 1426 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:46,720 is looking at the only film that we're 1427 01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:48,250 talking about and that's the alien 1428 01:06:53,730 --> 01:06:50,680 autopsy film that is what you're looking 1429 01:06:56,850 --> 01:06:53,740 at think about it the more it makes 1430 01:06:59,310 --> 01:06:56,860 sense because look the and I'll explain 1431 01:07:02,100 --> 01:06:59,320 to the audience why this alien autopsy 1432 01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,110 of memo is also not real really quickly 1433 01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:03,760 I'll say it very really fast for you all 1434 01:07:09,060 --> 01:07:06,280 okay there's an email header in here 1435 01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:09,070 that makes no sense all right you have 1436 01:07:11,970 --> 01:07:10,030 to look for it 1437 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:11,980 I think it's towards the bottom just 1438 01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:14,530 look for look for an email header that 1439 01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:18,880 has absolutely it's it doesn't make 1440 01:07:26,250 --> 01:07:23,220 sense technology wise regarding an 1441 01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:26,260 actual real email header so I think 1442 01:07:29,970 --> 01:07:27,940 there might be a mixture of two 1443 01:07:32,730 --> 01:07:29,980 different time zones within this email 1444 01:07:34,260 --> 01:07:32,740 header there might be two 2's or two 1445 01:07:34,890 --> 01:07:34,270 from zoar something I'll have to look 1446 01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:34,900 for it later 1447 01:07:38,130 --> 01:07:36,760 we actually detail this very 1448 01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,140 specifically and we go to the page 1449 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:39,520 number and we tell you where to look for 1450 01:07:46,170 --> 01:07:44,050 this in another podcast but another area 1451 01:07:47,790 --> 01:07:46,180 that you need to look at is John B 1452 01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:47,800 Alexander I'm the only individual that 1453 01:07:50,279 --> 01:07:49,480 has actually interviewed him about this 1454 01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:50,289 alien autopsy 1455 01:07:59,309 --> 01:07:55,089 memo and he told me that in this alien 1456 01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,319 autopsy memo he absolutely refused what 1457 01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:01,599 it says that none of this is real he had 1458 01:08:05,579 --> 01:08:03,249 nothing to do with this even though his 1459 01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:05,589 name is mentioned in this now I went 1460 01:08:09,390 --> 01:08:07,209 over and shared it with him so he could 1461 01:08:11,789 --> 01:08:09,400 see my screen it said something like 1462 01:08:15,509 --> 01:08:11,799 John Alexander I'm not saying this 1463 01:08:18,990 --> 01:08:15,519 exactly but to the the gist is at GM and 1464 01:08:22,109 --> 01:08:19,000 there's like a.com de or des jeux com 1465 01:08:24,089 --> 01:08:22,119 now if you look at that dot-com SG or 1466 01:08:25,499 --> 01:08:24,099 whatever it is whatever word it's in you 1467 01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:25,509 look it up on Wikipedia that's for 1468 01:08:29,879 --> 01:08:27,940 Singapore and G M stands for General 1469 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:29,889 Motors how do I know that because kit 1470 01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,650 green was the vice president for General 1471 01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:34,960 Motors in Singapore how do I know that 1472 01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:37,000 because that was already verified in his 1473 01:08:42,329 --> 01:08:39,880 Jacques file a book that Keith pastor 1474 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:42,339 Phil did find with his research and he 1475 01:08:48,839 --> 01:08:45,849 did actually was able to verify that and 1476 01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,849 I also verified it with John B Alexander 1477 01:08:51,899 --> 01:08:50,799 with my research by speaking to him and 1478 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:51,909 he said yes 1479 01:08:56,339 --> 01:08:54,250 kit green did work for General Motors as 1480 01:08:58,559 --> 01:08:56,349 a vice president in Singapore but 1481 01:09:00,959 --> 01:08:58,569 there's a problem with this memo it says 1482 01:09:03,089 --> 01:09:00,969 that how put off and John Alexander 1483 01:09:05,789 --> 01:09:03,099 worked for General Motors in Singapore 1484 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:05,799 they never once worked in Singapore and 1485 01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:08,020 they never work for General Motors so 1486 01:09:12,689 --> 01:09:09,880 those two email addresses in this memo 1487 01:09:13,709 --> 01:09:12,699 are absolutely incorrect the other thing 1488 01:09:17,549 --> 01:09:13,719 that's important for people to 1489 01:09:19,499 --> 01:09:17,559 understand is that he'll put off you 1490 01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:19,509 would think that kick green would know 1491 01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,440 the difference 1492 01:09:24,510 --> 01:09:22,239 since he's known that colleague for 1493 01:09:27,149 --> 01:09:24,520 decades now and they're good friends 1494 01:09:29,519 --> 01:09:27,159 they were at least before known to be 1495 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:29,529 that he would know his name is not 1496 01:09:35,309 --> 01:09:32,409 Halbert his name is Harold 1497 01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:35,319 so in this email these series of emails 1498 01:09:39,809 --> 01:09:37,329 right here that we're looking at it says 1499 01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:39,819 Halbert his name is not Halbert it's 1500 01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:43,000 Harold put off now how could anybody get 1501 01:09:46,919 --> 01:09:44,460 their own colleagues name incorrectly 1502 01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:46,929 there's a lot of problems with this 1503 01:09:50,519 --> 01:09:48,579 series of emails that people need to 1504 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:50,529 understand there are a lot of talk show 1505 01:09:55,229 --> 01:09:52,329 hosts out there with monetize channels 1506 01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,239 that are making money off of this hoax 1507 01:10:00,839 --> 01:09:57,520 telling you it's real stringing you 1508 01:10:03,149 --> 01:10:00,849 along pretending that they've got you 1509 01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:03,159 know some kind of corner on it and that 1510 01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:03,980 it's absolutely 1511 01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:09,260 we authentic no it's not this memo is 1512 01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:12,590 not real in its entirety it was created 1513 01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:15,920 to break up friendships it was designed 1514 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:19,040 to create argue a series of emails but 1515 01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:21,530 not enough to do it accurately what is 1516 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:23,390 your take on that Phil and Spiros well I 1517 01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:26,600 look upon these emails that are being 1518 01:10:32,260 --> 01:10:29,150 dumped housed the sort of modern 1519 01:10:34,270 --> 01:10:32,270 equivalent of the mj-12 documents you 1520 01:10:36,670 --> 01:10:34,280 know they did the same kind of thing 1521 01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:36,680 nobody knew exactly where they had 1522 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:39,980 originated where they come from there 1523 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:42,170 was people named in them there was 1524 01:10:48,130 --> 01:10:44,690 partial confirmation that perhaps one of 1525 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:48,140 the documents was authentic so that's 1526 01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:51,050 the way I look at them and they have 1527 01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:53,980 done exactly what you've described and 1528 01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,930 of course there are there is one 1529 01:11:02,620 --> 01:10:58,480 gentleman who claimed it was 1530 01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:02,630 Hinton if you like or claiming that that 1531 01:11:11,070 --> 01:11:08,120 the CIA is behind the they fought the 1532 01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:11,080 making of the the alien autopsy 1533 01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:15,080 asperatus said he it was not his 1534 01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:19,070 original idea that came with Keith 1535 01:11:24,670 --> 01:11:21,080 Bateman and his colleagues at a Kay 1536 01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:24,680 music aka music was a small company they 1537 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:29,030 made a wide variety of films and I know 1538 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:31,730 Keith I've met him he's a lovely guy but 1539 01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:34,130 it is far removed from the CIA as it has 1540 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:36,350 anyone you know and he just thinks it's 1541 01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:40,370 laughable but you say you have those as 1542 01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:41,320 well 1543 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:45,070 chant and this is that I think when when 1544 01:11:50,620 --> 01:11:47,090 Spiros first sake 1545 01:11:52,690 --> 01:11:50,630 got involved on the UFO scene he found 1546 01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:52,700 this difficult to understand but there 1547 01:11:57,670 --> 01:11:54,620 are those that have a belief system and 1548 01:12:00,490 --> 01:11:57,680 they believe that if you ask someone of 1549 01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:00,500 the standing of like kick green remember 1550 01:12:07,630 --> 01:12:04,550 he's in MD he has a PhD he did work for 1551 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:07,640 the CIA you know there is no question of 1552 01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:11,330 that then if if kick green says he was 1553 01:12:17,740 --> 01:12:15,230 briefed in 1998 at the Pentagon and 1554 01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:17,750 xiong film looks 1555 01:12:21,550 --> 01:12:20,900 exactly like Spiros is film then it must 1556 01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:21,560 be true 1557 01:12:28,450 --> 01:12:25,550 I wanted you you know she's ridiculous I 1558 01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,460 wanted to bring a really go ahead Spiros 1559 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:30,560 go ahead yeah I just like to say that 1560 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:32,450 you know we don't know that Pete green 1561 01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:33,530 said any of this 1562 01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:39,710 we haven't heard or seen but let me let 1563 01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:42,350 me shine a spotlight on something as as 1564 01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,350 somebody who creates fantasy okay when I 1565 01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:47,840 made the alien autopsy what I did was I 1566 01:12:52,990 --> 01:12:50,270 made a lot of things that are unseen as 1567 01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:53,000 many as much as things that are seen 1568 01:12:57,010 --> 01:12:55,760 okay and not explained that I call them 1569 01:13:00,100 --> 01:12:57,020 fuses I'm not sure if I've ever 1570 01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:00,110 explained that to you Hannah but sorry 1571 01:13:09,190 --> 01:13:05,870 John but the the idea is I plant a seed 1572 01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:09,200 that you look at and think that's a bit 1573 01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:11,900 strange and then you investigate it and 1574 01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:13,730 when you investigate it you find it's 1575 01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:17,150 true and then it reinforces the rest of 1576 01:13:22,780 --> 01:13:19,340 it okay just because you've found the 1577 01:13:25,210 --> 01:13:22,790 little pieces of detail that you don't 1578 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:25,220 think anyone would have gone that far to 1579 01:13:31,810 --> 01:13:27,890 do okay now let me tell you why I'm 1580 01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:31,820 bringing this up in this document there 1581 01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:33,800 is a little bit of Spiros whose fuses 1582 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:35,680 going on and I'll tell you what that is 1583 01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:39,730 they talk about a three chamber heart 1584 01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:40,910 okay 1585 01:13:46,570 --> 01:13:44,000 now if anyone was to investigate what a 1586 01:13:48,670 --> 01:13:46,580 three chamber heart is where you can 1587 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:48,680 find it they will find they can find it 1588 01:13:55,150 --> 01:13:52,490 in a reptile in the UFO community we 1589 01:13:59,860 --> 01:13:55,160 know very well that we talked about the 1590 01:14:03,040 --> 01:13:59,870 reptilians okay so what this does is it 1591 01:14:06,610 --> 01:14:03,050 plants a seed there anyone that wants to 1592 01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:06,620 go in further that's why they talk about 1593 01:14:09,940 --> 01:14:08,510 the heart and the chambers in this 1594 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:09,950 because they want you to think 1595 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:13,610 reptilians aliens right God's up in our 1596 01:14:20,650 --> 01:14:16,610 last podcast yeah yeah but but as a 1597 01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:20,660 piece of as a piece of theater and there 1598 01:14:26,290 --> 01:14:23,450 is elements of theater in this document 1599 01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:26,300 it's not somebody scientific who's done 1600 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:29,300 this it's somebody artistic somebody who 1601 01:14:34,180 --> 01:14:31,250 has a story to tell so 1602 01:14:36,730 --> 01:14:34,190 taken little pieces of other documents 1603 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:36,740 put them together they've not done their 1604 01:14:41,020 --> 01:14:39,170 homework and stuck stomachs in people's 1605 01:14:43,150 --> 01:14:41,030 brains and now that they've mucked it 1606 01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:43,160 all around they haven't gone to detail 1607 01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:45,080 of email addresses because what they 1608 01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:47,750 figured is you know what these email 1609 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:50,210 addresses are to funk anyway if they if 1610 01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:51,770 they use these emails they're not gonna 1611 01:14:55,150 --> 01:14:53,270 go anywhere kick greens not there 1612 01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:55,160 anymore neither will these emails be 1613 01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:57,470 nobody will be able to check them but 1614 01:15:00,940 --> 01:14:58,670 you know what somebody like you could 1615 01:15:03,010 --> 01:15:00,950 check them and this is where they fell 1616 01:15:05,050 --> 01:15:03,020 down they didn't give you the benefit of 1617 01:15:07,660 --> 01:15:05,060 the doubt of being superior in your 1618 01:15:11,710 --> 01:15:07,670 research than they anticipated the 1619 01:15:14,890 --> 01:15:11,720 public to be okay so by saying a3 1620 01:15:17,650 --> 01:15:14,900 chamber heart when you cannot see inside 1621 01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:17,660 this heart because I didn't know that I 1622 01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:19,070 didn't create a film that showed that 1623 01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:22,510 they need you to think three chambers 1624 01:15:31,420 --> 01:15:27,140 reptilian ok this Tamizh thinks of a fix 1625 01:15:33,010 --> 01:15:31,430 up yes yeah that's a great point you're 1626 01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:33,020 right and I wanted to go ahead and bring 1627 01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,300 up an important paragraph and that I 1628 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:37,520 wanted it on when I read it to Spiros 1629 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:40,970 last time he laughed and that is this 1630 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:43,610 and I need the reaction from both you 1631 01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:47,570 and Phil and it's on page eight and it 1632 01:15:55,570 --> 01:15:51,760 says here on the alien autopsy memo kiss 1633 01:15:57,130 --> 01:15:55,580 the PR folks around Santilli are indeed 1634 01:15:58,900 --> 01:15:57,140 not operating with the full set of 1635 01:16:01,090 --> 01:15:58,910 dishes are a little dense and not very 1636 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:01,100 nice to boot there isn't much CCD 1637 01:16:05,890 --> 01:16:03,290 disinformation all there doesn't need to 1638 01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:05,900 be I think that there is a basic flaw in 1639 01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:07,910 the analysis we have all been doing the 1640 01:16:12,570 --> 01:16:09,860 only explanation needed is simple it's a 1641 01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:12,580 legitimately classified black program 1642 01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:15,860 controlled by persons who have clout and 1643 01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:17,780 power are very smart and amongst the 1644 01:16:21,550 --> 01:16:19,670 brightest persons on the planet and then 1645 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:21,560 he goes on to continue ranting what do 1646 01:16:26,170 --> 01:16:23,570 you have to say about this PR folks 1647 01:16:28,210 --> 01:16:26,180 around Santilli and so on what is your 1648 01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:28,220 thought on all that well but it's 1649 01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:29,630 filling period I mean I don't I don't 1650 01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:32,390 remember any PR folks around Santilli I 1651 01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:35,450 mean Bureau said by the way it was chaos 1652 01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:39,320 if anything's one of the few things in 1653 01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:41,510 the in the in the movie they made the 1654 01:16:45,609 --> 01:16:43,670 Warner Bros moving email is how they 1655 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:45,619 reacted to situations 1656 01:16:51,129 --> 01:16:48,050 in other words they just made it up as 1657 01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:51,139 they went along and I'm you know I've 1658 01:16:54,729 --> 01:16:52,880 sat in Ray's office and it was 1659 01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,739 absolutely chaotic I don't know hold 1660 01:16:58,810 --> 01:16:56,960 these PR folks are supposed to be 1661 01:17:01,390 --> 01:16:58,820 perhaps it was another hat that Spiros 1662 01:17:09,490 --> 01:17:01,400 wore he wasn't justly created were you 1663 01:17:11,709 --> 01:17:09,500 the PR Foxboro the biggest the biggest 1664 01:17:15,209 --> 01:17:11,719 and most difficult problem of making 1665 01:17:21,729 --> 01:17:15,219 this hoax was Ray Santilli and his ideas 1666 01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:21,739 okay oh why don't we know two sci-fi 1667 01:17:26,379 --> 01:17:24,349 calm down it needs to be real right it 1668 01:17:27,970 --> 01:17:26,389 needs to be yeah but we could do that no 1669 01:17:31,839 --> 01:17:27,980 three legs what about three legs that's 1670 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:31,849 the unusual right you got a stop right 1671 01:17:36,669 --> 01:17:34,130 and my biggest problem with him was 1672 01:17:39,339 --> 01:17:36,679 curbing him and whenever and Philips my 1673 01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:39,349 witness here whenever Ray did a 1674 01:17:44,140 --> 01:17:41,750 interview with anybody he would create 1675 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:44,150 another mess because he would make a 1676 01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:45,770 statement which would create another 1677 01:17:49,870 --> 01:17:48,260 thing we need to prove and he couldn't 1678 01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,880 keep quiet so once he would say 1679 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:52,159 something it was oh yeah the cameraman 1680 01:17:56,379 --> 01:17:54,290 and now suddenly we've got to find this 1681 01:17:58,990 --> 01:17:56,389 cameraman then he'll say oh yes we've 1682 01:17:59,680 --> 01:17:59,000 got we've got footage of Truman well no 1683 01:18:01,450 --> 01:17:59,690 we haven't 1684 01:18:03,790 --> 01:18:01,460 why why do you why would you say that 1685 01:18:05,979 --> 01:18:03,800 we've got footage of President Truman 1686 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:05,989 visiting the crash site now we've got to 1687 01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:07,610 create this footage you know I nearly 1688 01:18:12,129 --> 01:18:09,980 did create that footage by the way not 1689 01:18:16,050 --> 01:18:12,139 just footage of Truman it was so clear 1690 01:18:18,609 --> 01:18:16,060 he said that you could read his lips yes 1691 01:18:20,830 --> 01:18:18,619 why would you do that because he's 1692 01:18:23,410 --> 01:18:20,840 telling you a product and he wants to 1693 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:23,420 sell you the romance and and leave you 1694 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:26,210 without a question that this has to be 1695 01:18:30,820 --> 01:18:28,489 real why would somebody do that later we 1696 01:18:32,649 --> 01:18:30,830 can't deliver any of it because it's 1697 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:32,659 just nonsense then he would he was the 1698 01:18:39,339 --> 01:18:35,210 biggest he was a loose cannon the only 1699 01:18:43,689 --> 01:18:39,349 PR anybody that I could remotely call a 1700 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:43,699 PR agent was Chris Carey he was a 1701 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:47,090 Salesman and he would go to places and 1702 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:49,730 represent the film so he would be the 1703 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:53,330 advert if you like but yeah just to jump 1704 01:18:56,919 --> 01:18:55,250 in here for our folks said not familiar 1705 01:18:59,649 --> 01:18:56,929 with the CC and 1706 01:19:01,359 --> 01:18:59,659 acronym that stands for camouflage 1707 01:19:06,370 --> 01:19:01,369 concealment and deception 1708 01:19:08,739 --> 01:19:06,380 thank you Frank yes yes okay and so we 1709 01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:08,749 are agreed that there's absolutely no 1710 01:19:14,890 --> 01:19:12,289 way by a hundred percent there is no 1711 01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,900 there's zero doubt that kid could have 1712 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:16,880 possibly been able to forensic ly 1713 01:19:23,109 --> 01:19:20,570 analyze the alien the alien involved in 1714 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:23,119 the 18-minute alien autopsy film that is 1715 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:26,090 mentioned in this memo as the basis of 1716 01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:28,610 what they're talking about right yeah 1717 01:19:33,699 --> 01:19:29,360 correct 1718 01:19:37,660 --> 01:19:33,709 okay so then why I know this is an 1719 01:19:42,899 --> 01:19:37,670 irritating question to ask but why do 1720 01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:42,909 you think that this memo was fabricated 1721 01:19:48,910 --> 01:19:46,820 well it's caused quite a stir hasn't it 1722 01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:48,920 yes it has yeah well there you go 1723 01:19:54,339 --> 01:19:51,679 there's your answer but you know it's as 1724 01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:54,349 simple as that it's it's it's it's donek 1725 01:20:01,209 --> 01:19:56,840 stop whoever as released it and we have 1726 01:20:03,850 --> 01:20:01,219 no idea who released it or its origin it 1727 01:20:07,959 --> 01:20:03,860 is believed that those claims that it 1728 01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:07,969 came from the files of the of the late 1729 01:20:15,219 --> 01:20:10,639 astronauts out but you know that that's 1730 01:20:18,009 --> 01:20:15,229 just a claim so it has created this 1731 01:20:19,989 --> 01:20:18,019 theory it's and that's what it was 1732 01:20:21,819 --> 01:20:19,999 designed to do we I believe you know 1733 01:20:25,089 --> 01:20:21,829 Santilli is back on the scene 1734 01:20:27,879 --> 01:20:25,099 I believe he's still trying to flog the 1735 01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:27,889 horse that's been dead a long time and 1736 01:20:32,580 --> 01:20:29,449 perhaps get another documentary and 1737 01:20:37,149 --> 01:20:32,590 another few few dollars in his pocket 1738 01:20:39,569 --> 01:20:37,159 but you know he it has done what it set 1739 01:20:46,660 --> 01:20:39,579 out to do and it's caused quite a stir 1740 01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:46,670 well in any any situation like this if 1741 01:20:52,689 --> 01:20:49,489 you want to find the culprit look at who 1742 01:20:55,330 --> 01:20:52,699 can make money from it okay that's where 1743 01:20:58,239 --> 01:20:55,340 the the impetus is that's where the 1744 01:21:00,219 --> 01:20:58,249 momentum is so if I I'm the one that's 1745 01:21:03,250 --> 01:21:00,229 gonna make the money right I would be 1746 01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:03,260 the one instigating this okay just and 1747 01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:06,380 so so my initial reaction when I heard 1748 01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,030 about this was I thought Ray Santilli 1749 01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,400 had started it now 1750 01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:13,760 we've decided between us just chewing 1751 01:21:17,950 --> 01:21:15,380 the fat and going back and forth that it 1752 01:21:20,620 --> 01:21:17,960 wasn't race entity and it could be 1753 01:21:22,450 --> 01:21:20,630 somebody else recently it's not right 1754 01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:22,460 enough to write this email you and I 1755 01:21:30,370 --> 01:21:27,980 both inside information there's no way 1756 01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:30,380 he could have known it let me let me ask 1757 01:21:35,410 --> 01:21:33,110 you really quickly would essentially 1758 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:35,420 have known about your communication with 1759 01:21:41,950 --> 01:21:39,890 Kelleher and Davis oh yes I mean okay 1760 01:21:44,740 --> 01:21:41,960 there were lots of people who contacted 1761 01:21:48,130 --> 01:21:44,750 me asking to be put in touch with Ray 1762 01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:48,140 because you know it wasn't advertising 1763 01:21:53,470 --> 01:21:51,440 in the phone book even today if you look 1764 01:21:56,380 --> 01:21:53,480 at trying to find ray until he's still 1765 01:21:57,940 --> 01:21:56,390 not that easy with all even with all the 1766 01:22:00,100 --> 01:21:57,950 modern tools that we have he doesn't 1767 01:22:02,770 --> 01:22:00,110 have any Facebook account I don't think 1768 01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:02,780 he's on Twitter and things like that 1769 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:06,770 so I put lots and lots of people in 1770 01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:09,170 touch with Ray Santilli down the years 1771 01:22:13,660 --> 01:22:11,900 you know right from day one so it would 1772 01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:13,670 certainly be no word of it yes cuz he I 1773 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:16,150 do believe that he did organize for a 1774 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:18,730 beta cam film to be sent to them because 1775 01:22:24,970 --> 01:22:21,290 we did exactly the same thing we had a 1776 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:24,980 BT cam copy and a colleague of mine took 1777 01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:27,770 that and made copies onto a CD for us 1778 01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:30,050 for research purposes with race 1779 01:22:34,060 --> 01:22:32,420 permission at the time of course so I'm 1780 01:22:41,980 --> 01:22:34,070 pretty sure he would have been aware of 1781 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:41,990 it yes I just qualify something or not 1782 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:43,970 qualifies 1783 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:45,890 I want to refute something that charger 1784 01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:49,970 said ray is no fool 1785 01:22:59,530 --> 01:22:55,040 okay he is a very very shrewd sharp 1786 01:23:03,640 --> 01:22:59,540 cookie and the evidence of that is in 1787 01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:03,650 the cameraman statement when we needed a 1788 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:06,350 cameraman statement well I had I went to 1789 01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:09,770 Los Angeles have filmed an old actor to 1790 01:23:15,460 --> 01:23:12,380 pretend to be the the original cameraman 1791 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:15,470 who filmed the 1947 film in the military 1792 01:23:21,670 --> 01:23:19,130 as you know now I didn't have a script I 1793 01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:21,680 was promised that I would get a script 1794 01:23:26,860 --> 01:23:23,900 once I was in LA there would be 1795 01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:26,870 script materialized Gary shoe field 1796 01:23:32,890 --> 01:23:30,590 brought with him the script the the 1797 01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:32,900 statement written apparently by the 1798 01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,940 cameraman okay this this grit I call it 1799 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:39,199 a script and not a statement because 1800 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:41,090 it's a piece of piece of play-acting but 1801 01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:44,570 it was full of information that no one 1802 01:23:52,570 --> 01:23:48,230 could possibly know okay it came from 1803 01:23:55,060 --> 01:23:52,580 Sen Tilly's office so in order to say I 1804 01:23:57,550 --> 01:23:55,070 don't think Rey is clever enough to 1805 01:24:00,970 --> 01:23:57,560 create something this this elaborate 1806 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:00,980 well it's not just ray you see my theory 1807 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:04,010 with the cameraman statement is that ray 1808 01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:08,210 did probably meet a military guy who was 1809 01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,840 in Roswell in 1947 not a cameraman 1810 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:14,239 necessarily but just someone who was 1811 01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:16,610 there there was lots of those people 1812 01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:19,850 around can I just can I just interject 1813 01:24:25,740 --> 01:24:23,360 there Spiros yeah I think you know I I 1814 01:24:31,209 --> 01:24:25,750 disagreed with you about this point 1815 01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:31,219 until just recently I I I went back to 1816 01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:34,489 speak to Keith Bateman Keith made the 1817 01:24:39,939 --> 01:24:37,250 tent footage that's where the the whole 1818 01:24:44,410 --> 01:24:39,949 idea originated so I hired attributed 1819 01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:44,420 the idea of making some film with Keith 1820 01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:45,949 and his colleagues and Keith said no 1821 01:24:51,459 --> 01:24:48,710 that's not the case the first person to 1822 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:51,469 actually mention it was Ray Santilli and 1823 01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:54,530 he went on to say Ray had been out in 1824 01:25:02,050 --> 01:24:58,850 Roswell that's right so it's not beyond 1825 01:25:05,290 --> 01:25:02,060 the realms of imagination that Ray 1826 01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:05,300 whilst in Roswell did meet you know a 1827 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:09,860 former military guy I don't think he 1828 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:11,810 would know where kick Greene had worked 1829 01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:14,570 previously you know you'd have to really 1830 01:25:18,939 --> 01:25:16,250 do you have to have the level of 1831 01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:18,949 research skills that Keith Bastyr field 1832 01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:22,760 has and he has some of the best research 1833 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:25,520 out there I know so we're just gonna 1834 01:25:37,630 --> 01:25:34,540 because we're on the same page missing 1835 01:25:42,940 --> 01:25:37,640 links okay click okay 1836 01:25:46,660 --> 01:25:42,950 we're all yours go ahead mr. Hall Oh 1837 01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:46,670 Michael W ha once at Grant Cameron go 1838 01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:49,300 ahead absolutely and grant can Cameron 1839 01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:52,670 interviewed Ray Santilli recently yes 1840 01:26:01,150 --> 01:25:56,810 that right let me qualify let me qualify 1841 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:01,160 why that's extraordinary ray is not 1842 01:26:09,250 --> 01:26:04,130 taking interviews from anyone hasn't 1843 01:26:11,620 --> 01:26:09,260 done in 24 years right 23 years okay 1844 01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:11,630 right he broke that he broke that record 1845 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:13,400 when he interviewed with me and then 1846 01:26:21,670 --> 01:26:17,690 just with them wait wait wait wait grant 1847 01:26:23,950 --> 01:26:21,680 Cameron and now mr. Hall I think is an 1848 01:26:27,070 --> 01:26:23,960 innocent party in this okay the grand 1849 01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:27,080 Cameron is very capable to have done a 1850 01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:31,490 deal with sentient Li now if Santilli 1851 01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:34,130 said okay listen okay 1852 01:26:40,750 --> 01:26:36,350 yeah well let's do this let's put out 1853 01:26:43,630 --> 01:26:40,760 this CIA document reignite the interest 1854 01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,640 I will give you an interview and it will 1855 01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:45,920 be an exclusive interview I'll do that 1856 01:26:50,650 --> 01:26:49,040 and you're gonna then promote me and I'm 1857 01:26:53,170 --> 01:26:50,660 gonna then go and sell the footage all 1858 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:53,180 over again this is the conversation 1859 01:27:05,830 --> 01:26:56,570 that's occurring in my head I'm doing a 1860 01:27:09,790 --> 01:27:05,840 bit of remote viewing now I know enough 1861 01:27:13,060 --> 01:27:09,800 about the character to know that he has 1862 01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:13,070 done a deal okay now that deal has 1863 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:17,690 happened now grant Cameron could very 1864 01:27:23,230 --> 01:27:21,050 possibly have connections with a number 1865 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:23,240 of people including the people around 1866 01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:25,850 kick green or information around Kate 1867 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:28,550 green and between them they've pieced 1868 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:31,610 together this document with sent his 1869 01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:34,370 blessing I tell you why I think sin 1870 01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:36,980 Chile was involved our friend Colin 1871 01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:39,710 Wofford who believes the alien autopsy 1872 01:27:46,090 --> 01:27:42,710 is real and I'm being paid by the men in 1873 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:46,100 black to say isn't he is adamant that 1874 01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:49,010 he's going to catch me out and he said 1875 01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,510 something to me which resonates in my 1876 01:27:57,140 --> 01:27:53,760 head every single time I see him which 1877 01:27:59,899 --> 01:27:57,150 is you don't know what's about to happen 1878 01:28:02,240 --> 01:27:59,909 you wait and see there's gonna be 1879 01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:02,250 there's gonna be major stuff going on 1880 01:28:05,509 --> 01:28:03,690 and you don't even know what's gonna 1881 01:28:07,370 --> 01:28:05,519 happen and you're gonna get caught out 1882 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:07,380 are you wait and see now he had 1883 01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:10,170 knowledge of this document before it 1884 01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:13,440 came out and he is sent to his biggest 1885 01:28:20,899 --> 01:28:18,449 supporter he did he's telling me that oh 1886 01:28:23,689 --> 01:28:20,909 he has a very contact with sin Chile but 1887 01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:23,699 I've had private conversations with 1888 01:28:27,709 --> 01:28:25,380 email auditory text naina 1889 01:28:30,109 --> 01:28:27,719 with scent Iliad he's volunteered little 1890 01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:30,119 bits of information and I've got a 1891 01:28:36,319 --> 01:28:32,280 little bit of information from Warford 1892 01:28:38,959 --> 01:28:36,329 and recently there is a text that wolf 1893 01:28:41,629 --> 01:28:38,969 had said sent to somebody else who gave 1894 01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:41,639 me that that text I've put it on onto on 1895 01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:44,489 my facebook group alien autopsy fat 1896 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:47,940 files and on that it says Spiros is 1897 01:28:51,229 --> 01:28:50,010 going to occur and bow down paraphrasing 1898 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:51,239 I could I could bring it up an innocent 1899 01:28:58,759 --> 01:28:53,570 and read it to you but it basically 1900 01:29:01,580 --> 01:28:58,769 talks about the the document we're 1901 01:29:04,879 --> 01:29:01,590 talking about now as if it he knew it 1902 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:04,889 was coming out before it came out now 1903 01:29:10,959 --> 01:29:06,690 where did he get that information 1904 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:13,779 information prior to anybody else 1905 01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:16,050 because because it was being 1906 01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:17,489 manufactured it was being promoted 1907 01:29:22,370 --> 01:29:20,639 behind the scenes and it was it was they 1908 01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:22,380 were testing the water to see is there 1909 01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:25,280 any mileage in this right 1910 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:28,170 yeah I would also like to mention it 1911 01:29:33,950 --> 01:29:31,170 he's crazy he stopped your family 1912 01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,960 okay he's actually stalked her family he 1913 01:29:38,060 --> 01:29:35,280 has said things about you that are 1914 01:29:40,819 --> 01:29:38,070 absolutely not true and so let's move on 1915 01:29:43,729 --> 01:29:40,829 from him because he is a waste of time 1916 01:29:45,140 --> 01:29:43,739 and DNA as far as I'm concerned yes yes 1917 01:29:48,890 --> 01:29:45,150 but the point the point I'm making 1918 01:29:51,740 --> 01:29:48,900 though yes he sent a message I've got it 1919 01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:51,750 I've got it in front of me it's from him 1920 01:29:56,209 --> 01:29:53,699 to another person I'm not going to 1921 01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:56,219 disclose I promised I wouldn't be okay 1922 01:30:02,419 --> 01:29:58,920 but it's dead I see spirit is spouting 1923 01:30:03,730 --> 01:30:02,429 nonsense once again when the kit green 1924 01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:03,740 leaked memo 1925 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:07,280 drop can be shocked as it confirms the a 1926 01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:10,730 a to be genuine now this is before that 1927 01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:13,960 document was dropped that's interesting 1928 01:30:20,530 --> 01:30:17,450 this gentleman our mental friend Colin 1929 01:30:23,890 --> 01:30:20,540 Wofford mm-hmm knew something from 1930 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:23,900 somebody who is here in contact with Ray 1931 01:30:29,710 --> 01:30:27,770 Santilli or is it is it Dolan or is it I 1932 01:30:31,690 --> 01:30:29,720 mean why would Dolan give in we think it 1933 01:30:35,470 --> 01:30:31,700 would be somebody else right 1934 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:35,480 I know grant Cameron actually allowed CW 1935 01:30:40,090 --> 01:30:37,370 I'm just gonna give his initials because 1936 01:30:43,210 --> 01:30:40,100 I can't stand to say his name the 1937 01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:43,220 ability to post on grants timeline 1938 01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:46,130 saying that the alien movie was real so 1939 01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:49,520 I know that he has a special place in 1940 01:30:57,730 --> 01:30:52,250 his heart so to speak for CW in that 1941 01:30:58,990 --> 01:30:57,740 regard yes so yes of course because ok 1942 01:31:02,380 --> 01:30:59,000 so let's explain something to the 1943 01:31:06,670 --> 01:31:02,390 audience Michael W Hall said a while 1944 01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:06,680 back that his client grant Cameron was 1945 01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,570 the most important person in the world 1946 01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:11,360 basically because he had something 1947 01:31:18,700 --> 01:31:14,840 called The Smoking Gun documents the 1948 01:31:21,580 --> 01:31:18,710 core secret stock it's got many 1949 01:31:24,220 --> 01:31:21,590 different names ok but he was basically 1950 01:31:26,590 --> 01:31:24,230 saying that Grant Cameron had some 1951 01:31:29,710 --> 01:31:26,600 really important data to share with the 1952 01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:29,720 world and that was the smoking gun memo 1953 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:31,970 our document and I'll share the link to 1954 01:31:36,670 --> 01:31:34,610 that but then also what happened with 1955 01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:36,680 grant is he got involved in talking 1956 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:38,920 about the alien autopsy memo which is 1957 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:42,410 separate from The Smoking Gun doc but 1958 01:31:47,260 --> 01:31:44,690 they were both kind of dropped at the 1959 01:31:54,010 --> 01:31:47,270 same time for everybody to see this year 1960 01:31:57,460 --> 01:31:54,020 right Frank yes yes so so I'll go ahead 1961 01:32:00,190 --> 01:31:57,470 and post a link and just that the 1962 01:32:02,740 --> 01:32:00,200 clear-up grant and Michael had been 1963 01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:02,750 going around and talking about the 1964 01:32:08,710 --> 01:32:06,860 Wilson memo yeah a while before and then 1965 01:32:11,290 --> 01:32:08,720 they kind of came out without really any 1966 01:32:13,540 --> 01:32:11,300 kind of hints being dropped that this 1967 01:32:16,030 --> 01:32:13,550 was on the way as well and then also the 1968 01:32:17,610 --> 01:32:16,040 the third document which is the letter 1969 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:17,620 from the Bigelow II 1970 01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:21,970 to purportedly Edgar Mitchell so so with 1971 01:32:26,460 --> 01:32:24,730 all these hoaxed documents swirling 1972 01:32:30,090 --> 01:32:26,470 around it's kind of hard for people to 1973 01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:30,100 figure out you know delineate what we're 1974 01:32:34,410 --> 01:32:32,110 all talking about because there's three 1975 01:32:36,420 --> 01:32:34,420 different documents that are not well 1976 01:32:38,130 --> 01:32:36,430 one might be real I'm not sure but - for 1977 01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:38,140 sure that are not real I know because I 1978 01:32:42,210 --> 01:32:40,000 interviewed somebody that had to do with 1979 01:32:44,130 --> 01:32:42,220 half of that alleged document being The 1980 01:32:45,420 --> 01:32:44,140 Smoking Gun memo and that was commander 1981 01:32:50,580 --> 01:32:45,430 Willard Nelson 1982 01:32:52,980 --> 01:32:50,590 Willard Miller and I am interviewed in 1983 01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:52,990 multiple times and he told me this is 1984 01:32:57,480 --> 01:32:55,180 not a real letter I did not write this 1985 01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:57,490 letter and he explained to me why in 1986 01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:01,380 great detail we did a podcast on them 1987 01:33:07,980 --> 01:33:05,740 and Eric Davis is showing up and that 1988 01:33:10,820 --> 01:33:07,990 one also okay so out of the three 1989 01:33:13,470 --> 01:33:10,830 documents that we're talking about here 1990 01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:13,480 Eric Davis has shown up in - and those 1991 01:33:17,700 --> 01:33:14,800 are the ones that have been talked about 1992 01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:17,710 the most in the UFO community so uh 1993 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:20,170 there's there's just there's basically 1994 01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:22,210 too much to talk about here that we 1995 01:33:26,490 --> 01:33:24,730 can't cram into one podcast but you and 1996 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:26,500 I have been covering this for a long 1997 01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:29,130 time Frank and I can tell you this 1998 01:33:35,070 --> 01:33:32,500 there are talk-show hosts out there that 1999 01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:35,080 have misled the public because I believe 2000 01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:38,320 a few of them not all actually know that 2001 01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:41,680 these documents are not real in their 2002 01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:45,090 entirety they're benefiting from them 2003 01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:47,920 monetarily and also by gaining new 2004 01:33:52,890 --> 01:33:50,500 members and one of these talk show hosts 2005 01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:52,900 has an area for members to actually pay 2006 01:33:59,160 --> 01:33:57,010 to see more of what he has to say and he 2007 01:34:00,990 --> 01:33:59,170 also has a monetized broadcast and 2008 01:34:03,630 --> 01:34:01,000 before anybody criticizes Frank for 2009 01:34:06,300 --> 01:34:03,640 having a monetize channel you know I 2010 01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:06,310 don't think they understand we don't 2011 01:34:11,490 --> 01:34:09,250 make well Frank doesn't make the level 2012 01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:11,500 of income that these other talk-show 2013 01:34:16,410 --> 01:34:13,510 hosts do well what we have here 2014 01:34:20,130 --> 01:34:16,420 regarding his monetize channel is really 2015 01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:20,140 it's it's a nominal amount it's like in 2016 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:21,550 the pennies okay 2017 01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:23,530 well it's better than that but you know 2018 01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,870 it's not fortune it's like gas it's like 2019 01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:28,000 gas money okay I'm just telling you the 2020 01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:31,329 reality of it everybody that the other 2021 01:34:38,189 --> 01:34:33,780 show hosts I won't mention who they are 2022 01:34:41,129 --> 01:34:38,199 are probably making I won't say an 2023 01:34:43,379 --> 01:34:41,139 amount but a lot of money off of this 2024 01:34:46,799 --> 01:34:43,389 and also one has actually done a 2025 01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:46,809 conference on it and so uh you know it's 2026 01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:50,320 like that individual also fell for the 2027 01:34:58,469 --> 01:34:54,300 alien what was that a Jaime Masson 2028 01:35:00,959 --> 01:34:58,479 debacle Roswell the Roswell slides right 2029 01:35:04,379 --> 01:35:00,969 and and there was a fake alien involved 2030 01:35:08,189 --> 01:35:04,389 in that and the most prominent talk-show 2031 01:35:10,889 --> 01:35:08,199 host of all fell for that hoax really 2032 01:35:14,069 --> 01:35:10,899 believe that alien was real come to turn 2033 01:35:15,959 --> 01:35:14,079 out it was fake okay well yeah let me 2034 01:35:17,489 --> 01:35:15,969 let me be clear about that the the 2035 01:35:19,379 --> 01:35:17,499 photograph was legitimate it was a 2036 01:35:22,979 --> 01:35:19,389 legitimate photograph but it was of a 2037 01:35:25,649 --> 01:35:22,989 mummy in a museum yeah exactly 2038 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:25,659 that's what that was so moving along 2039 01:35:31,529 --> 01:35:29,050 here what what is your what is your 2040 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:31,539 conclusion what have you come to what if 2041 01:35:37,589 --> 01:35:34,449 we learned what is so what does it take 2042 01:35:41,549 --> 01:35:37,599 away for you Phil and for you Spiros 2043 01:35:44,819 --> 01:35:41,559 regarding all of this drama around the 2044 01:35:47,909 --> 01:35:44,829 alien autopsy film that you own Spiros 2045 01:35:49,379 --> 01:35:47,919 and that you created let me say one 2046 01:35:51,089 --> 01:35:49,389 thing before I count while I count 2047 01:35:56,759 --> 01:35:51,099 because once you start seeing I'll not 2048 01:36:00,000 --> 01:35:56,769 get a word in will remember this I 2049 01:36:02,429 --> 01:36:00,010 remember when I had not long met Spiros 2050 01:36:04,649 --> 01:36:02,439 and I said something to the to the 2051 01:36:11,429 --> 01:36:04,659 effect that this film will never go away 2052 01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:11,439 and he thought I was off my head it's 2053 01:36:19,349 --> 01:36:13,300 like a vampire it keeps rising from the 2054 01:36:21,329 --> 01:36:19,359 grave hell it's a cockroach in all of 2055 01:36:25,469 --> 01:36:21,339 this and we mustn't lose sight of it 2056 01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:25,479 because everybody just keep losing sight 2057 01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:28,449 of the very basics and I'll tell you 2058 01:36:34,139 --> 01:36:31,209 what that is a little while ago 2059 01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,149 I challenged Ray Santilli to have a lie 2060 01:36:41,540 --> 01:36:36,639 detector test with me but I did it 2061 01:36:44,939 --> 01:36:41,550 through a national newspaper he told the 2062 01:36:48,209 --> 01:36:44,949 newspaper that he would be quite happy 2063 01:36:50,729 --> 01:36:48,219 to take a lie-detector test with me and 2064 01:36:53,310 --> 01:36:50,739 I said I specified a three-phase 2065 01:36:56,459 --> 01:36:53,320 lie-detector test that means that we get 2066 01:36:59,850 --> 01:36:56,469 hooked up by our brain pattern our heart 2067 01:37:02,640 --> 01:36:59,860 rate and our sweat glands so that it's 2068 01:37:07,620 --> 01:37:02,650 his felt it's not you can't beat it okay 2069 01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:07,630 he agreed and I stated at that time that 2070 01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:10,540 his method of operandi the way he works 2071 01:37:17,820 --> 01:37:13,630 is he will say yes to everything and 2072 01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:17,830 deliver nothing he didn't do it 2073 01:37:21,930 --> 01:37:20,260 I kept badgering the newspaper well 2074 01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:21,940 what's happened let's do it let's do it 2075 01:37:24,959 --> 01:37:23,650 well Santilli is gone the missing list 2076 01:37:26,820 --> 01:37:24,969 he's not answering our calls 2077 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:26,830 okay so what's sure what you're gonna 2078 01:37:30,689 --> 01:37:28,330 write you've got to write a story now to 2079 01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:30,699 say we were gonna do this and he's 2080 01:37:36,570 --> 01:37:33,449 vanished well no we can't do that okay 2081 01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:36,580 he then did an interview with Cameron 2082 01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:40,239 and with the grant Cameron and we've mr. 2083 01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:42,850 Hall and I've written to mr. Hall I must 2084 01:37:47,729 --> 01:37:45,760 have sent him eight or nine messages 2085 01:37:50,430 --> 01:37:47,739 every week every time he goes on here 2086 01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:50,440 and I say what's happened to the film 2087 01:37:57,180 --> 01:37:53,679 that Ray Santilli promised you okay he 2088 01:37:59,880 --> 01:37:57,190 race until II Phil's my witness has told 2089 01:38:02,580 --> 01:37:59,890 everybody in historically has told 2090 01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:02,590 everybody there is no more film it's all 2091 01:38:06,419 --> 01:38:03,190 gone 2092 01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:06,429 there's nothing okay I've got no film 2093 01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:09,250 left that's it and then lo and behold 2094 01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:12,400 this new document appears the CIA says 2095 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:15,489 it's real and guess what race Antilles 2096 01:38:21,630 --> 01:38:18,850 got film to be tested okay right 2097 01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:21,640 is this true Phil absolutely okay he 2098 01:38:26,850 --> 01:38:24,250 then goes on-air with Grant Cameron and 2099 01:38:29,459 --> 01:38:26,860 with mr. Hall and he says they say to 2100 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:29,469 him well mr. Santilli no film has been 2101 01:38:34,740 --> 01:38:33,010 tested by anybody and he said no no no 2102 01:38:37,229 --> 01:38:34,750 kodak tested it and they said well it 2103 01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:37,239 didn't test anything with aliens image 2104 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:39,820 on it so do you think we can have some 2105 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:42,730 film with alien image on it so we can 2106 01:38:48,510 --> 01:38:45,610 test it and they and he said oh 2107 01:38:51,090 --> 01:38:48,520 absolutely I can do that because that's 2108 01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:51,100 what he does he always says yes because 2109 01:38:55,410 --> 01:38:52,600 that leaves you an impression of 2110 01:38:57,180 --> 01:38:55,420 positive must be telling the truth it 2111 01:38:59,040 --> 01:38:57,190 plants that amazing scene and 2112 01:39:02,430 --> 01:38:59,050 everybody's mind that this is 2113 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:02,440 okay the the broadcast finished and no 2114 01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:06,610 film materialized and we all knew that 2115 01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,550 yeah but I went back to mr. Hall and I 2116 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:11,440 said mr. Hall he made a statement on 2117 01:39:18,210 --> 01:39:14,610 your show and you gave him the airtime 2118 01:39:20,730 --> 01:39:18,220 to perpetrate this [\h__\h] so you need 2119 01:39:23,250 --> 01:39:20,740 to now pull him up on it and you need to 2120 01:39:25,740 --> 01:39:23,260 say mr. Santilli you promised us in film 2121 01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:25,750 where's the film and I actually said to 2122 01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:28,780 him at that time how long do we give 2123 01:39:34,650 --> 01:39:31,330 Santilli to deliver some film for 2124 01:39:37,340 --> 01:39:34,660 testing before we call [\h__\h] and he 2125 01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:37,350 didn't reply to me I then went on air 2126 01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:41,170 online sorry and I told everybody who 2127 01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:44,050 cares to listen that I will give them a 2128 01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:50,770 hundred to one hundred to one odds on 2129 01:39:57,150 --> 01:39:53,650 any amount they want to bet that he will 2130 01:40:00,930 --> 01:39:57,160 never deliver any film exactly and guess 2131 01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:00,940 how many take of them go well and we all 2132 01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:04,270 knew said that that he would not follow 2133 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:06,340 through on that promise we just knew 2134 01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,930 that I was the one that actually pointed 2135 01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:10,480 out that podcast of Phil and Spiros so 2136 01:40:17,790 --> 01:40:12,610 they could laugh I wanted to point out 2137 01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:17,800 something interesting there Spiros 2138 01:40:24,660 --> 01:40:22,060 listened to Ray Santilli and Gary 2139 01:40:27,090 --> 01:40:24,670 Schofield both interviews I did with 2140 01:40:28,830 --> 01:40:27,100 Gary I did multiple ones with Gary 2.5 2141 01:40:33,620 --> 01:40:28,840 hours worth of interviewing and also Ray 2142 01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:33,630 Santilli 45 minutes worth and Phil and 2143 01:40:40,380 --> 01:40:37,840 Spiros both heard ray I didn't ask ray 2144 01:40:41,940 --> 01:40:40,390 this I never asked him once they heard 2145 01:40:44,850 --> 01:40:41,950 it from the very beginning to the point 2146 01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:44,860 where he said he would happily interview 2147 01:40:51,570 --> 01:40:47,800 with me he volunteered to do it with me 2148 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:51,580 okay I did not ask him he actually said 2149 01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:53,770 he would interview with me now I had 2150 01:40:57,870 --> 01:40:55,330 asked him prior and he agreed to that 2151 01:40:59,880 --> 01:40:57,880 but when he called me he went ahead and 2152 01:41:01,800 --> 01:40:59,890 volunteered in that phone call to 2153 01:41:03,690 --> 01:41:01,810 interview with me I'm just making that 2154 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:03,700 clear so everybody understands that's 2155 01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:06,370 it's kind of important and also want to 2156 01:41:12,150 --> 01:41:10,000 make it clear that I will go ahead and 2157 01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:12,160 reveal those interviews at a time 2158 01:41:19,130 --> 01:41:14,440 of my choosing I actually had somebody 2159 01:41:23,690 --> 01:41:19,140 who told me when I was supposed to 2160 01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:23,700 reveal those podcasts nobody tells me 2161 01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:27,730 when I am going to publish podcasts 2162 01:41:33,630 --> 01:41:31,690 nobody I decide that okay nobody does 2163 01:41:34,890 --> 01:41:33,640 that to me and I will make sure and the 2164 01:41:37,230 --> 01:41:34,900 reason why I'm being so vehement is 2165 01:41:40,050 --> 01:41:37,240 because we actually have the individual 2166 01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:40,060 who told me what to do in our chat room 2167 01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:42,790 today which is quite hilarious and just 2168 01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:45,250 letting him know right now you will not 2169 01:41:49,410 --> 01:41:46,690 tell me you when to publish those 2170 01:41:54,660 --> 01:41:49,420 podcasts I will make sure I reveal them 2171 01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,670 at a time of my choosing yeah 2172 01:41:58,230 --> 01:41:57,280 real real quick I do want to go back I 2173 01:42:00,990 --> 01:41:58,240 mean we wouldn't be having this 2174 01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:01,000 conversation today if a warrant for the 2175 01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:03,610 extraordinary response when the the 2176 01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:06,940 video was actually broadcast 2177 01:42:11,220 --> 01:42:09,310 I guess simultaneously looks like going 2178 01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:11,230 back and looking at it at the same day 2179 01:42:16,290 --> 01:42:14,290 on channel 4 over in the UK and on Fox 2180 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:16,300 here in the States here in the States 2181 01:42:24,150 --> 01:42:19,090 and on Fox at 1:00 the time slot back in 2182 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:24,160 let's see the hosted and let's see I was 2183 01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:27,010 actually rebroadcast on Fox and the 2184 01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:28,750 second time we shown actually won its 2185 01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:31,060 timeslot which in those days was a big 2186 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:33,130 deal for Fox because it was a kind of a 2187 01:42:41,670 --> 01:42:38,650 fledgling Network way back when and and 2188 01:42:44,580 --> 01:42:41,680 then it broke yeah a really 2189 01:42:47,340 --> 01:42:44,590 extraordinary response and what are you 2190 01:42:50,490 --> 01:42:47,350 guys thinking is it's getting sold and 2191 01:42:52,410 --> 01:42:50,500 we are spiro sir were you involved in 2192 01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:52,420 the sales of these at all or was that 2193 01:42:58,620 --> 01:42:54,850 all San Tilly's baby and what did you 2194 01:43:01,230 --> 01:42:58,630 think of the response well I am wasn't 2195 01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,240 involved in any of the sales because the 2196 01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:03,280 agreement I made with Santilli was that 2197 01:43:08,670 --> 01:43:05,500 we would give the footage free to 2198 01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,680 broadcasters to investigate it then what 2199 01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:10,960 we would do is we would tell them once 2200 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:12,370 they've decided that they don't know 2201 01:43:16,380 --> 01:43:14,890 what it is and it looks real at that 2202 01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:16,390 point we will do we will do a 2203 01:43:20,940 --> 01:43:18,400 documentary for each broadcaster and 2204 01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:20,950 show them how we made it and how we how 2205 01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:23,650 we did it and that's how I thought we 2206 01:43:26,339 --> 01:43:25,960 were going to make our money in actual 2207 01:43:27,989 --> 01:43:26,349 fact 2208 01:43:30,029 --> 01:43:27,999 what happened was they sold the footage 2209 01:43:33,029 --> 01:43:30,039 behind my back and the plant behind my 2210 01:43:35,069 --> 01:43:33,039 team's back and we thought there were 2211 01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:35,079 some what ray told me in the initial 2212 01:43:39,509 --> 01:43:37,510 stages was we need to get Volkers money 2213 01:43:42,389 --> 01:43:39,519 back and the way we're gonna do that is 2214 01:43:44,879 --> 01:43:42,399 we're gonna sell VHS copies and we're 2215 01:43:46,770 --> 01:43:44,889 gonna sell them to enthusiasts and that 2216 01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:46,780 will give us the money back for for 2217 01:43:50,129 --> 01:43:48,760 Volker and what kind of summer 2218 01:43:53,969 --> 01:43:50,139 what kind of summer are we talking about 2219 01:43:56,909 --> 01:43:53,979 here wasn't a huge amount between 30 2220 01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,919 pounds and 50 pounds no I meant the 2221 01:44:04,560 --> 01:43:58,239 production cost sorry about that 2222 01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,570 Oh 35,000 okay thousand pounds yeah yeah 2223 01:44:10,409 --> 01:44:07,840 and we had to make it twice so the 2224 01:44:14,069 --> 01:44:10,419 second time I had to I had to then 2225 01:44:16,679 --> 01:44:14,079 invest myself because we'd run out of 2226 01:44:18,419 --> 01:44:16,689 money by that time because we made two 2227 01:44:20,819 --> 01:44:18,429 you see the first one wasn't good enough 2228 01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:20,829 and the second one need to be needed to 2229 01:44:23,939 --> 01:44:22,090 be done again so I had to buy the 2230 01:44:27,929 --> 01:44:23,949 materials the film the whole thing all 2231 01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:27,939 over again and I I invested that money 2232 01:44:35,279 --> 01:44:31,449 myself personally but the bottom line 2233 01:44:38,459 --> 01:44:35,289 here is the VHS copies would would 2234 01:44:40,589 --> 01:44:38,469 recoup Volkers money and then that would 2235 01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:40,599 allow us to now make the documentaries 2236 01:44:45,839 --> 01:44:43,510 when the TV broadcasters told us they 2237 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:45,849 give up they don't know what it is 2238 01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:48,249 in actual fact what happened was it was 2239 01:44:53,639 --> 01:44:51,179 given free to channel 4 in the UK 2240 01:44:56,429 --> 01:44:53,649 because that's my home territory and I 2241 01:45:00,089 --> 01:44:56,439 would hear about it so he did give it 2242 01:45:02,699 --> 01:45:00,099 free to channel 4 then what he did was 2243 01:45:03,770 --> 01:45:02,709 he sold it everywhere else so when the 2244 01:45:09,209 --> 01:45:03,780 Fox deal was done 2245 01:45:12,270 --> 01:45:09,219 Fox paid $300,000 for the first time and 2246 01:45:15,089 --> 01:45:12,280 then they repeated that $300,000 a 2247 01:45:19,229 --> 01:45:15,099 repeat fee when it was shown again the 2248 01:45:21,869 --> 01:45:19,239 second time Santilli retained broadcast 2249 01:45:24,839 --> 01:45:21,879 rights and also DVD right so they shared 2250 01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:24,849 that so when the DVD came out chantilly 2251 01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:27,280 participated in the sales for that along 2252 01:45:33,449 --> 01:45:30,729 with Fox I was nothing to do with it 2253 01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:33,459 I wasn't even I wasn't credited I wasn't 2254 01:45:37,889 --> 01:45:36,489 mentioned now after i came i became 2255 01:45:40,500 --> 01:45:37,899 public 2256 01:45:43,140 --> 01:45:40,510 I contacted Fox and I said listen guy 2257 01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:43,150 I made this creature and you've made 2258 01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:45,910 programs and I've not been credited and 2259 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:47,380 they said well you know we didn't know 2260 01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:51,370 and but if you go on IMDB you will see 2261 01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:54,340 that I am credited now because they 2262 01:45:59,850 --> 01:45:57,040 can't deny that I made it and that tells 2263 01:46:02,790 --> 01:45:59,860 you everything going on IMDB and just 2264 01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:02,800 check out various alien autopsy programs 2265 01:46:06,990 --> 01:46:05,290 and you will see that I'm credited for a 2266 01:46:10,860 --> 01:46:07,000 number of different things costume 2267 01:46:14,370 --> 01:46:10,870 making special effects second second 2268 01:46:16,980 --> 01:46:14,380 unit filming all sorts of things on my 2269 01:46:19,470 --> 01:46:16,990 own IMDB Bureau smell Aras you will see 2270 01:46:22,110 --> 01:46:19,480 that I am credited for alien autopsy and 2271 01:46:23,820 --> 01:46:22,120 all the various credits I have on that I 2272 01:46:26,490 --> 01:46:23,830 don't know if you've ever tried to do 2273 01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:26,500 that but you just can't put a credit up 2274 01:46:31,230 --> 01:46:28,750 it's just contested and taken off right 2275 01:46:35,210 --> 01:46:31,240 and what are your thoughts on Ray 2276 01:46:40,980 --> 01:46:35,220 Santilli and possibly Gary Shu field 2277 01:46:43,950 --> 01:46:40,990 being involved in getting more yet more 2278 01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:43,960 income if I'm not sure Gary ever did by 2279 01:46:48,450 --> 01:46:45,130 the way I'm just gonna make that clear 2280 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:48,460 but Ray getting more income on a special 2281 01:46:54,450 --> 01:46:51,970 regarding this alien autopsy movie from 2282 01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:54,460 say for example the History Channel or 2283 01:46:58,830 --> 01:46:57,010 some company out there what would you 2284 01:47:01,650 --> 01:46:58,840 say if they made more money from it or 2285 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:01,660 Raimi to make clear I don't know if Gary 2286 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:03,970 ever did yeah I'll ask you an open 2287 01:47:09,660 --> 01:47:06,490 question and also our listeners can can 2288 01:47:11,610 --> 01:47:09,670 hear the same question okay if I sold 2289 01:47:14,130 --> 01:47:11,620 you a piece of film and you didn't know 2290 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:14,140 it was fake you've done nothing wrong 2291 01:47:20,010 --> 01:47:17,770 correct correct right if you now know 2292 01:47:21,930 --> 01:47:20,020 it's fake and you continue to sell it 2293 01:47:26,010 --> 01:47:21,940 what would we call that 2294 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:26,020 right fraud right now okay dad know that 2295 01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:28,090 all right fella shut please but there 2296 01:47:31,860 --> 01:47:29,680 that leads me to a next question I want 2297 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:31,870 to jump here about no box essentially 2298 01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:34,810 Ray Santilli has signed a document with 2299 01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:39,490 Fox TV back in 1995 which guarantees 2300 01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:45,490 that the film is 1947 film and he says 2301 01:47:52,890 --> 01:47:49,600 the cameraman is unknown okay 2302 01:47:54,150 --> 01:47:52,900 he also states he doesn't know what's on 2303 01:47:56,220 --> 01:47:54,160 this film 2304 01:47:59,280 --> 01:47:56,230 all of those things are lies okay 2305 01:48:01,260 --> 01:47:59,290 because if you say for example listen 2306 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:01,270 I'm not saying as an alien this is what 2307 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:03,370 he thought the get out clause was I'm 2308 01:48:07,890 --> 01:48:05,290 not saying there's an alien you tell me 2309 01:48:10,620 --> 01:48:07,900 what it is right he thought that was 2310 01:48:11,610 --> 01:48:10,630 enough of a disclaimer but when you do 2311 01:48:14,130 --> 01:48:11,620 know what it is 2312 01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:14,140 then what you're using as a disclaimer 2313 01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:17,410 is a lie so when you say I don't know 2314 01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:20,320 what this is you tell me well that first 2315 01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:22,930 part is a blatant lie you do know what 2316 01:48:29,670 --> 01:48:25,690 it is okay and that's the bottom line 2317 01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:29,680 here so if they are stupid enough if 2318 01:48:36,540 --> 01:48:33,310 they're crazy enough to take money from 2319 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:36,550 people today I think you'll find there's 2320 01:48:42,210 --> 01:48:39,730 gonna be an enormous stink an enormous 2321 01:48:44,430 --> 01:48:42,220 think and I'll be the one making this 2322 01:48:47,090 --> 01:48:44,440 thing and I'll be in the front line 2323 01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:47,100 front the queue because it's my film 2324 01:48:54,810 --> 01:48:50,670 enough now enough they've stolen it for 2325 01:48:56,850 --> 01:48:54,820 best part of 24 years enough now 2326 01:48:59,010 --> 01:48:56,860 now when this show was originally 2327 01:49:01,620 --> 01:48:59,020 broadcast on Fox they built a 2328 01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:01,630 documentary around it I brought in some 2329 01:49:05,670 --> 01:49:05,170 special commentators to take a look at 2330 01:49:08,250 --> 01:49:05,680 it 2331 01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:08,260 that included Kevin Randle who's a big 2332 01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:11,320 Roswell researcher Stan Winston who 2333 01:49:16,290 --> 01:49:13,210 basically does the same kind of work as 2334 01:49:18,300 --> 01:49:16,300 your guide mr. Humphries as far as 2335 01:49:20,190 --> 01:49:18,310 building these kind of things they were 2336 01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:20,200 brought in to sort of add their expert 2337 01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:23,230 opinion Jonathan Frakes who was a 2338 01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:26,170 commander riker on the Star Trek next 2339 01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:28,930 generation television show was a sort of 2340 01:49:35,370 --> 01:49:32,440 the the narrator for all this and also 2341 01:49:39,210 --> 01:49:35,380 there was a fellow by the name of John 2342 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:39,220 Jobson who was the director of these I 2343 01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:41,770 guess these segments that that they also 2344 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:44,110 built it to fill out time and they had 2345 01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:45,850 some background and so on and so forth 2346 01:49:52,350 --> 01:49:48,810 and also Leslie okay 2347 01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:52,360 silhouette yes you're away yes well I uh 2348 01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,610 what's this originally he probably added 2349 01:49:58,500 --> 01:49:56,560 the most credibility to the whole thing 2350 01:50:00,330 --> 01:49:58,510 although you know let's face it even 2351 01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:00,340 even back then I was a little skeptical 2352 01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:03,370 what's that in that in that in that 2353 01:50:07,919 --> 01:50:07,210 documentary Stan Winston said who if 2354 01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:07,929 somebody 2355 01:50:12,509 --> 01:50:10,510 this film they'd be working here with me 2356 01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:12,519 like that and he clicks his fingers 2357 01:50:18,359 --> 01:50:15,369 right right and and John and I laughed 2358 01:50:22,410 --> 01:50:18,369 at it we thought how funny that is okay 2359 01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:22,420 but a few years later I contacted Stan 2360 01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:24,400 Winston he's no longer with us but I 2361 01:50:29,429 --> 01:50:26,920 phoned him up and I said Stan ioan who 2362 01:50:31,049 --> 01:50:29,439 you know you said anyone that would have 2363 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:31,059 made this film could be working with you 2364 01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,010 like that well we we made the film and 2365 01:50:37,469 --> 01:50:35,679 he said you know I said did you 2366 01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:37,479 genuinely believe it was real and he 2367 01:50:43,770 --> 01:50:41,170 said no he said what I did I said oh 2368 01:50:46,830 --> 01:50:43,780 this film are gonna use he said I don't 2369 01:50:49,819 --> 01:50:46,840 believe it is real and we can recreate 2370 01:50:53,250 --> 01:50:49,829 this but what they said was but it's on 2371 01:50:55,799 --> 01:50:53,260 1947 film and he said at that point he 2372 01:50:59,640 --> 01:50:55,809 said I had to say well I can't make it 2373 01:51:02,100 --> 01:50:59,650 on 1947 film therefore I don't know what 2374 01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:02,110 it is right yeah but he but he 2375 01:51:08,729 --> 01:51:05,610 volunteered to me that he knew all along 2376 01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:08,739 and apparently the director jobs and I 2377 01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:09,880 don't know if you're familiar with him 2378 01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:13,090 or not and also Robert caveat who's a 2379 01:51:22,580 --> 01:51:18,670 name I was a we know service yeah yeah 2380 01:51:27,299 --> 01:51:22,590 he had he's been basically parroting the 2381 01:51:30,270 --> 01:51:27,309 Santilli line that this yeah it was it 2382 01:51:32,339 --> 01:51:30,280 was made it was a made up documentary 2383 01:51:34,140 --> 01:51:32,349 but there are a number of frames within 2384 01:51:35,549 --> 01:51:34,150 the documentary that are still 2385 01:51:38,339 --> 01:51:35,559 legitimate he's still running along with 2386 01:51:40,319 --> 01:51:38,349 that one I don't think we'll be saying 2387 01:51:41,790 --> 01:51:40,329 that today is he are you saying that 2388 01:51:44,879 --> 01:51:41,800 today I've heard him recently on a 2389 01:51:46,859 --> 01:51:44,889 podcast say exactly that yeah I support 2390 01:51:49,859 --> 01:51:46,869 I spoke to him just the other night on 2391 01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:49,869 skype aney he you know he's he's still 2392 01:51:55,739 --> 01:51:53,050 hanging out with the greatest respect to 2393 01:51:59,339 --> 01:51:55,749 Bob you know some hope that there may be 2394 01:52:03,149 --> 01:51:59,349 something there somewhere but you know 2395 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:03,159 he does quite openly say that you know 2396 01:52:08,399 --> 01:52:06,610 sparrows and John made the film and this 2397 01:52:11,790 --> 01:52:08,409 was just last I think was just last week 2398 01:52:16,949 --> 01:52:11,800 I spoke to him because he's moving on in 2399 01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:16,959 in his in his career but so you know 2400 01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:19,090 it's just you know he still lives in 2401 01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:20,090 hope that 2402 01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:21,860 that there may be something there but I 2403 01:52:25,919 --> 01:52:24,170 think in his heart of it really knows 2404 01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:25,929 there isn't 2405 01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:28,250 I'm sorry go ahead go ahead spiderus 2406 01:52:35,229 --> 01:52:30,110 yeah I think this is a common-sense 2407 01:52:37,839 --> 01:52:35,239 argument if you are the man who bought 2408 01:52:39,459 --> 01:52:37,849 this film from Santilli and went to fox 2409 01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:39,469 and said we're gonna make this amazing 2410 01:52:45,580 --> 01:52:42,650 program this is the real deal and let's 2411 01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:45,590 spend a million dollars by the way let's 2412 01:52:52,089 --> 01:52:48,770 spend a million dollars making a 2413 01:52:54,370 --> 01:52:52,099 one-hour special in 1995 should I say 2414 01:52:57,250 --> 01:52:54,380 again because this is enormous a million 2415 01:53:01,479 --> 01:52:57,260 dollars for a one-hour special in 1995 2416 01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:01,489 okay so he went there and he promoted 2417 01:53:08,350 --> 01:53:05,360 this film as genuine so I don't blame 2418 01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:08,360 him for sticking to that story because 2419 01:53:13,979 --> 01:53:10,880 you know what if if the truth is the 2420 01:53:16,660 --> 01:53:13,989 what his his starting position is then 2421 01:53:20,260 --> 01:53:16,670 he's the one responsible for selling it 2422 01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:20,270 to Fox in the first place now Fox don't 2423 01:53:23,620 --> 01:53:21,980 have an axe to grind because they made a 2424 01:53:25,060 --> 01:53:23,630 lot of money from it they made their 2425 01:53:27,129 --> 01:53:25,070 million dollars again and again and 2426 01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:27,139 again and again and they're still making 2427 01:53:33,310 --> 01:53:28,880 money the program is available on 2428 01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:33,320 Netflix as we speak okay so so from Bob 2429 01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:37,250 qvx perspective what's the best party 2430 01:53:42,490 --> 01:53:40,190 line that I should call well I'm not 2431 01:53:45,850 --> 01:53:42,500 going to say I'm I'm the guy that made 2432 01:53:48,580 --> 01:53:45,860 them buy this film and and it's fake so 2433 01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:48,590 the story with a few frames and that 2434 01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:50,449 whole thing just gives them a lifeline 2435 01:53:55,540 --> 01:53:52,880 that actually listen I'm not a complete 2436 01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:55,550 chump I didn't make a big mistake I made 2437 01:53:59,709 --> 01:53:57,440 a little mistake there was a little bit 2438 01:54:02,320 --> 01:53:59,719 of truth in this and let's kind of go 2439 01:54:04,030 --> 01:54:02,330 with that that makes sense to me I I 2440 01:54:04,990 --> 01:54:04,040 don't think he wants to say to people 2441 01:54:07,450 --> 01:54:05,000 you know what 2442 01:54:09,250 --> 01:54:07,460 I was completely had it's completely 2443 01:54:12,339 --> 01:54:09,260 fake it was all for nothing 2444 01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:12,349 and I'm the guy that led the led the 2445 01:54:17,470 --> 01:54:14,210 [\h__\h] right other things gonna say 2446 01:54:20,620 --> 01:54:17,480 that so this cut Bob some slack and say 2447 01:54:21,970 --> 01:54:20,630 he didn't know did he he was told he he 2448 01:54:24,129 --> 01:54:21,980 actually did the right thing he got a 2449 01:54:27,700 --> 01:54:24,139 contract from Sin City to say this is 2450 01:54:30,700 --> 01:54:27,710 genuine 1947 film therefore it's worth 2451 01:54:33,820 --> 01:54:30,710 pursuing okay and then the buck stops 2452 01:54:37,780 --> 01:54:33,830 with Santilli not with anyone else 2453 01:54:40,660 --> 01:54:37,790 and I think from a legal perspective Fox 2454 01:54:42,370 --> 01:54:40,670 did their due diligence as much as well 2455 01:54:44,530 --> 01:54:42,380 we've got we've got a contract from 2456 01:54:47,380 --> 01:54:44,540 Santilli and he's signed and agreed and 2457 01:54:49,110 --> 01:54:47,390 warranted this is genuine okay 2458 01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:49,120 I don't believe they did do their 2459 01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:51,290 completely but but that's another story 2460 01:54:58,270 --> 01:54:55,040 but as far as a fraud is concerned yes 2461 01:54:59,740 --> 01:54:58,280 that did take place frauds don't go away 2462 01:55:02,320 --> 01:54:59,750 by the way there's no statute of 2463 01:55:04,090 --> 01:55:02,330 limitation for a fraud you know if you 2464 01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,100 commit a fraud it's there forever 2465 01:55:09,700 --> 01:55:07,280 so it will come back to haunt you at the 2466 01:55:12,730 --> 01:55:09,710 point that the the information surfaces 2467 01:55:14,590 --> 01:55:12,740 if you murdered somebody today and 25 2468 01:55:16,690 --> 01:55:14,600 years later nobody knows it was you and 2469 01:55:18,910 --> 01:55:16,700 they found you you can't argue 2470 01:55:21,970 --> 01:55:18,920 oh well that's 25 years ago it's over 2471 01:55:23,380 --> 01:55:21,980 now it's somehow we raised you're still 2472 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:23,390 a murderer you're still gonna get done 2473 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:27,290 for it and same with any fraud so so 2474 01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:28,490 that's where we're at 2475 01:55:33,730 --> 01:55:32,090 exciting times nobody wants to discuss 2476 01:55:35,260 --> 01:55:33,740 this because obviously it's C it means 2477 01:55:38,410 --> 01:55:35,270 that everyone's on the front line 2478 01:55:41,170 --> 01:55:38,420 Bob caveat I think we've got to cut him 2479 01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:41,180 some slack because he did want this to 2480 01:55:47,710 --> 01:55:43,730 be real he made a very good documentary 2481 01:55:50,890 --> 01:55:47,720 from it and he made everybody money so 2482 01:55:54,850 --> 01:55:50,900 his jobs done as a producer his jobs 2483 01:55:56,650 --> 01:55:54,860 done but promoting it now I think people 2484 01:55:58,660 --> 01:55:56,660 have got to be very careful very very 2485 01:56:00,910 --> 01:55:58,670 careful what they do from here on 2486 01:56:03,730 --> 01:56:00,920 because we've exposed it as being fake 2487 01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:03,740 if you carry on selling it as real now 2488 01:56:12,700 --> 01:56:09,280 there is no excuse and what of the 2489 01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:12,710 person who might be representing ray and 2490 01:56:17,260 --> 01:56:15,110 Gary to get a deal to make more money it 2491 01:56:19,780 --> 01:56:17,270 just seems like everybody wants to make 2492 01:56:21,540 --> 01:56:19,790 money off of this situation what are 2493 01:56:30,670 --> 01:56:21,550 your thoughts on all of that 2494 01:56:32,500 --> 01:56:30,680 do you blame them but but my point is 2495 01:56:34,900 --> 01:56:32,510 it's not even it's whether it's real or 2496 01:56:36,910 --> 01:56:34,910 not meaning the alien autopsy movie it 2497 01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:36,920 said it's about money well here's the 2498 01:56:41,890 --> 01:56:39,050 thing okay everyone's out to make money 2499 01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:41,900 and I have no problem with that when 2500 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:45,130 they when they steal from someone else 2501 01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:47,770 to make money that's when I have a 2502 01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:50,530 problem with it okay so it's all about 2503 01:56:55,710 --> 01:56:52,810 honor and it's about dignity and it's 2504 01:56:58,500 --> 01:56:55,720 about doing the right thing you know you 2505 01:57:01,170 --> 01:56:58,510 for example share stuff with me and we 2506 01:57:04,650 --> 01:57:01,180 know I will never ever betray your 2507 01:57:06,150 --> 01:57:04,660 confidence until you say it's okay I buy 2508 01:57:08,340 --> 01:57:06,160 a list I've Illustrated that with a 2509 01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,350 recent column Wolford stuff I haven't 2510 01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:10,000 disclosed who gave me that stuff because 2511 01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:11,050 I promised I wouldn't 2512 01:57:17,550 --> 01:57:13,570 and I won't not until he tells me it's 2513 01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:17,560 okay if we don't have dignity and honor 2514 01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:21,610 between us then there is zero trust okay 2515 01:57:28,590 --> 01:57:26,200 we cannot trust Ray Santilli at all he's 2516 01:57:30,300 --> 01:57:28,600 shown us he's not trustworthy where is 2517 01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:30,310 the film for testing essentially you 2518 01:57:35,700 --> 01:57:33,490 promised it you said yeah absolutely no 2519 01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:35,710 problem I'll do that for you okay where 2520 01:57:41,220 --> 01:57:38,770 is it I'm rated until that happens 2521 01:57:41,790 --> 01:57:41,230 we've just got to not listen to him 2522 01:57:44,220 --> 01:57:41,800 anymore 2523 01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:44,230 let's not give him the credibility that 2524 01:57:48,930 --> 01:57:46,210 he's [\h__\h] sorry that he's off it's 2525 01:57:52,770 --> 01:57:48,940 all right were you yeah YouTube YouTube 2526 01:57:54,570 --> 01:57:52,780 you can swear your head off spirals the 2527 01:57:56,850 --> 01:57:54,580 thing is let's not give him the 2528 01:57:59,610 --> 01:57:56,860 credibility because he doesn't deserve 2529 01:58:01,860 --> 01:57:59,620 it if he wants credibility he needs to 2530 01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:01,870 produce the goods is that fair enough 2531 01:58:07,050 --> 01:58:05,230 yep absolutely now fill in an earlier 2532 01:58:09,810 --> 01:58:07,060 conversation you had said that you had 2533 01:58:11,340 --> 01:58:09,820 estimated the gross on this with the 2534 01:58:14,370 --> 01:58:11,350 broadcast rights all around the world 2535 01:58:16,860 --> 01:58:14,380 with various TV stations that this 2536 01:58:19,170 --> 01:58:16,870 project is a gross maybe yes somewhere 2537 01:58:20,970 --> 01:58:19,180 in the order of in the mid-teens in 2538 01:58:23,310 --> 01:58:20,980 terms of millions of dollars is that 2539 01:58:25,170 --> 01:58:23,320 about right absolutely I mean you know 2540 01:58:27,690 --> 01:58:25,180 Spiro says give you a little overview of 2541 01:58:29,550 --> 01:58:27,700 how much [\h__\h] were paying for it and 2542 01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:29,560 then you know not just on the broadcast 2543 01:58:35,460 --> 01:58:32,080 rights there was then the video rights I 2544 01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:35,470 think that the Fox alien autopsy fact or 2545 01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:38,050 fiction was one of the biggest-selling 2546 01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:40,210 if not the biggest selling documentary 2547 01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:43,090 of its type that year on video so 2548 01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:45,130 Santilli will have had a share of those 2549 01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:47,490 as well I mean I'll give you an example 2550 01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:51,010 the first magazine to show any stills 2551 01:58:57,010 --> 01:58:52,690 from the film before the film was 2552 01:59:00,250 --> 01:58:57,020 released was one in France called VSD 2553 01:59:01,780 --> 01:59:00,260 they paid $60,000 so when you start and 2554 01:59:05,410 --> 01:59:01,790 add all this up and there's little 2555 01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:05,420 things for example when the the first 2556 01:59:10,750 --> 01:59:07,520 time the film was seen in public before 2557 01:59:15,310 --> 01:59:10,760 it was released on TV was a conference I 2558 01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:15,320 organized in in 1995 I two Russian 2559 01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:17,450 scientists there and they went back to 2560 01:59:21,550 --> 01:59:19,730 Russia and they organized shown on 2561 01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:21,560 Russian television and they even they 2562 01:59:25,450 --> 01:59:23,360 post on top I think it was ten thousand 2563 01:59:28,030 --> 01:59:25,460 dollars so when you start to add all 2564 01:59:31,530 --> 01:59:28,040 this up I believe a spirit or at least 2565 01:59:37,300 --> 01:59:31,540 said earlier on that Ray did give the 2566 01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:37,310 the film to channel 4 for free but um I 2567 01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:39,290 think he may well have had a she had of 2568 01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:41,840 the video rights so it was just a play 2569 01:59:45,580 --> 01:59:43,760 on words he let them broadcast it for 2570 01:59:47,650 --> 01:59:45,590 free but he still got something later on 2571 01:59:49,780 --> 01:59:47,660 down the line 2572 01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:49,790 so when you start and add all this up 2573 01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:52,010 you know there's a awful lot of money 2574 01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:54,170 was made I don't think we'll ever know 2575 01:59:59,970 --> 01:59:56,450 you know the exact amount I think it's 2576 02:00:02,910 --> 01:59:59,980 impossible but I've got a good idea 2577 02:00:07,630 --> 02:00:02,920 actually more than we thought at first 2578 02:00:08,770 --> 02:00:07,640 originally when I did my mitotic because 2579 02:00:10,450 --> 02:00:08,780 it wasn't difficult you just you just 2580 02:00:12,340 --> 02:00:10,460 what you have to do is go to every 2581 02:00:14,500 --> 02:00:12,350 broadcaster see if it broadcasted it and 2582 02:00:16,420 --> 02:00:14,510 then once you see that you see what they 2583 02:00:18,190 --> 02:00:16,430 pay per minute don't have to tell they 2584 02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:18,200 don't have to tell you anything because 2585 02:00:24,850 --> 02:00:21,890 there's a given rate in 1995 it was 500 2586 02:00:28,660 --> 02:00:24,860 dollars a minute for a normal for 2587 02:00:31,180 --> 02:00:28,670 between $300 and $500 a minute depending 2588 02:00:33,850 --> 02:00:31,190 on what what it is this is a very 2589 02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:33,860 special program is a very special piece 2590 02:00:38,470 --> 02:00:35,690 of film so it's very lightly they could 2591 02:00:40,570 --> 02:00:38,480 have got six or $700 a minute but if we 2592 02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:40,580 go on the lower figure of $500 a minute 2593 02:00:48,330 --> 02:00:46,010 I worked out in 1998 that he'd taken 2594 02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:48,340 eighteen and a half million dollars 2595 02:00:55,210 --> 02:00:51,890 today I have to make about 30 odd 2596 02:00:59,110 --> 02:00:55,220 thousand dollars because Netflix not 2597 02:01:03,460 --> 02:00:59,120 thousand not thousand million million 2598 02:01:06,970 --> 02:01:03,470 million million Netflix is still selling 2599 02:01:09,550 --> 02:01:06,980 that that fact or fiction program the 2600 02:01:10,540 --> 02:01:09,560 alien autopsy movie with Ant & Dec see 2601 02:01:15,339 --> 02:01:10,550 what ray 2602 02:01:17,140 --> 02:01:15,349 call in the business back catalog that 2603 02:01:19,569 --> 02:01:17,150 means he will buy something that's 2604 02:01:22,270 --> 02:01:19,579 already been out there done the business 2605 02:01:25,270 --> 02:01:22,280 and then he will hold that back catalog 2606 02:01:27,879 --> 02:01:25,280 to re-release a different time okay so 2607 02:01:32,049 --> 02:01:27,889 if you bought for example a a Rolling 2608 02:01:33,850 --> 02:01:32,059 Stones concert from from 1980 and it 2609 02:01:36,580 --> 02:01:33,860 already been sold to television and it's 2610 02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:36,590 been sold on DVD and what ray will do is 2611 02:01:41,020 --> 02:01:38,570 he will buy that after it's done the 2612 02:01:43,629 --> 02:01:41,030 business for a lot less money and then 2613 02:01:46,180 --> 02:01:43,639 he will regurgitate that when a new 2614 02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:46,190 format comes out like in in recent times 2615 02:01:54,370 --> 02:01:51,290 it's been DVD and and HDTV blu-ray and 2616 02:01:58,450 --> 02:01:54,380 that sort of thing so it's called back 2617 02:02:00,310 --> 02:01:58,460 catalog so what ray did and and all the 2618 02:02:02,709 --> 02:02:00,320 way down the line is every time he did a 2619 02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:02,719 deal with a broadcaster he kept the back 2620 02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:05,599 catalog he kept the rights to the 2621 02:02:12,430 --> 02:02:08,000 program that they make so he can then 2622 02:02:14,770 --> 02:02:12,440 regurgitate that at a later date so drip 2623 02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:14,780 fed back into the marketplace depending 2624 02:02:20,109 --> 02:02:16,610 on the on the validity of it so for 2625 02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:20,119 example if somebody today made a new 2626 02:02:23,740 --> 02:02:21,679 documentary then they would have 2627 02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:23,750 flashbacks of stuff that would happen in 2628 02:02:27,970 --> 02:02:25,520 the past and it's all padding you see it 2629 02:02:29,530 --> 02:02:27,980 fills the hour with production value 2630 02:02:32,049 --> 02:02:29,540 that you don't have to make again it's 2631 02:02:35,319 --> 02:02:32,059 been paid for already so the program can 2632 02:02:41,919 --> 02:02:35,329 be made for less money so all of that 2633 02:02:44,830 --> 02:02:41,929 value is sitting there and the the sale 2634 02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:44,840 of the program today suddenly has a new 2635 02:02:50,589 --> 02:02:46,880 lease of life because of the CIA papers 2636 02:02:53,290 --> 02:02:50,599 and in all the different forms and I'm 2637 02:02:54,790 --> 02:02:53,300 hoping that people like the History 2638 02:02:56,950 --> 02:02:54,800 Channel and anyone else that might be 2639 02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:56,960 listening or her hear this or seen other 2640 02:03:00,939 --> 02:02:59,360 things will actually realize they're 2641 02:03:04,030 --> 02:03:00,949 opening a can of worms and really that 2642 02:03:05,890 --> 02:03:04,040 wanna go near well when they do that we 2643 02:03:09,100 --> 02:03:05,900 are definitely going to do a podcast on 2644 02:03:10,510 --> 02:03:09,110 that okay so I wanted to make a 2645 02:03:11,979 --> 02:03:10,520 correction I don't know why I said that 2646 02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:11,989 we have 40 years worth the history go 2647 02:03:15,339 --> 02:03:13,730 through its really 24 years regarding 2648 02:03:16,810 --> 02:03:15,349 this I'm just correcting myself earlier 2649 02:03:18,549 --> 02:03:16,820 in the broadcast they said that to Frank 2650 02:03:22,629 --> 02:03:18,559 that I did want to bring up something 2651 02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,639 interesting is it true that that's ray 2652 02:03:25,450 --> 02:03:24,080 or Gary said that they're not 2653 02:03:27,460 --> 02:03:25,460 talking to one another do you mind 2654 02:03:30,250 --> 02:03:27,470 sharing that at all or now yeah yeah 2655 02:03:33,730 --> 02:03:30,260 when I when I spoke to Ray recently and 2656 02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:33,740 I said I said to Ray listen ray I don't 2657 02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:35,810 want to cause you any any problems I 2658 02:03:39,940 --> 02:03:37,250 don't want to cause you any grief I have 2659 02:03:42,250 --> 02:03:39,950 no personal ax to grind with you I have 2660 02:03:44,740 --> 02:03:42,260 been hard done by I haven't been paid 2661 02:03:47,890 --> 02:03:44,750 you've made loads of money and you've 2662 02:03:50,740 --> 02:03:47,900 done it without me and I'm the guy that 2663 02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:50,750 made the film so we need to rectify this 2664 02:03:56,140 --> 02:03:53,810 and he said we didn't make anywhere near 2665 02:03:58,840 --> 02:03:56,150 what you think and nobody's interested 2666 02:04:00,340 --> 02:03:58,850 in the alien autopsy is dead and you 2667 02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:00,350 know meanwhile you know we've got to 2668 02:04:04,810 --> 02:04:02,330 move on we didn't make anywhere near the 2669 02:04:06,610 --> 02:04:04,820 money that you think we made blah blah 2670 02:04:09,670 --> 02:04:06,620 blah and then I said well what's Gary 2671 02:04:11,530 --> 02:04:09,680 doing this right now what he got it well 2672 02:04:12,850 --> 02:04:11,540 I don't speak to Gary we fell out we're 2673 02:04:14,890 --> 02:04:12,860 not we're not we're not friends anymore 2674 02:04:18,130 --> 02:04:14,900 he's moved to America and I haven't 2675 02:04:20,620 --> 02:04:18,140 spoken to him in years and blah blah 2676 02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:20,630 blah so I didn't know whether they were 2677 02:04:25,330 --> 02:04:22,760 speaking they weren't speaking what had 2678 02:04:27,730 --> 02:04:25,340 happened because Gary would be the guy 2679 02:04:29,530 --> 02:04:27,740 pulling ray back every time he tries to 2680 02:04:31,060 --> 02:04:29,540 do something stupid because ray would 2681 02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:31,070 have these ridiculous ideas I say I 2682 02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:33,850 mentioned before and he would say and 2683 02:04:37,810 --> 02:04:36,800 Gary was a race doc pull it back pull it 2684 02:04:40,510 --> 02:04:37,820 back because he was a sensible 2685 02:04:43,210 --> 02:04:40,520 businessman Ray Ray would run away with 2686 02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:43,220 it sometimes so I could I could quite 2687 02:04:48,490 --> 02:04:45,530 easily see them falling out I can quite 2688 02:04:49,870 --> 02:04:48,500 easily see that happening but they 2689 02:04:52,650 --> 02:04:49,880 haven't fallen now they're still in 2690 02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:52,660 contact as you know and they both 2691 02:04:56,830 --> 02:04:55,370 they're too stupid to get a story 2692 02:05:00,690 --> 02:04:56,840 together that they're gonna stick to 2693 02:05:03,660 --> 02:05:00,700 they both got different stories yeah 2694 02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:03,670 keep going yeah they've told you 2695 02:05:10,420 --> 02:05:07,730 conflicting stories yes and yeah and and 2696 02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:10,430 you know it could take a genius eh you 2697 02:05:13,660 --> 02:05:11,930 are a genius by the way but I don't 2698 02:05:15,790 --> 02:05:13,670 think it took a genius to see that when 2699 02:05:17,530 --> 02:05:15,800 somebody says it's left the other one 2700 02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:17,540 says no it's right well there's a 2701 02:05:22,090 --> 02:05:19,520 discrepancy there and some of it is even 2702 02:05:27,490 --> 02:05:22,100 even more nonsensical than that it's 2703 02:05:28,650 --> 02:05:27,500 black and white ridiculous so I don't 2704 02:05:32,910 --> 02:05:28,660 know what they're gonna do next 2705 02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:32,920 Gary is a little bit more sensible and 2706 02:05:37,959 --> 02:05:37,040 he won't be as courageous as Ray Ray is 2707 02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:37,969 quite happy 2708 02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:41,210 to do something wrong and wait to be 2709 02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:44,239 wait for the the lawsuit and then and 2710 02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:47,210 he's very well versed to see you in 2711 02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:50,719 court so he he'll ride the wave and he 2712 02:05:55,209 --> 02:05:52,400 will play the game until you run out of 2713 02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:55,219 money or until you lose interest so so 2714 02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:57,290 he hasn't and he's quite happy to do 2715 02:06:02,140 --> 02:06:00,560 that Gary is Gary's not that kind of 2716 02:06:03,490 --> 02:06:02,150 place not litigious at all he's not the 2717 02:06:05,770 --> 02:06:03,500 sort of person that's gonna want to take 2718 02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:05,780 chances and a rep you get a reputation 2719 02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:09,530 so that's what we're fighting here we've 2720 02:06:13,330 --> 02:06:11,570 got two sides of the coin neither knows 2721 02:06:14,830 --> 02:06:13,340 what the other ones doing I don't think 2722 02:06:18,130 --> 02:06:14,840 they can agree between the two of them 2723 02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:18,140 and all we do know is that we're dealing 2724 02:06:20,830 --> 02:06:19,250 with a fake film 2725 02:06:24,130 --> 02:06:20,840 I'm telling you that categorically on 2726 02:06:27,130 --> 02:06:24,140 everything I hold dear there is no real 2727 02:06:31,540 --> 02:06:27,140 film hand on my heart hope to die 2728 02:06:34,150 --> 02:06:31,550 okay so there there you have it now 2729 02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:34,160 everything else is padding is privado 2730 02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:37,520 and it's [\h__\h] no real meaning from 2731 02:06:44,709 --> 02:06:41,690 1947 there is no real alien in your 1995 2732 02:06:45,670 --> 02:06:44,719 I've all 1995 alien autopsy phone it 2733 02:06:48,370 --> 02:06:45,680 never existed 2734 02:06:52,150 --> 02:06:48,380 ray and I can support what Spiros is 2735 02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:52,160 sayin I mean when I first was contacted 2736 02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:54,530 us not I didn't dig him out I got half 2737 02:06:59,860 --> 02:06:57,650 of his name but so these are not just 2738 02:07:02,020 --> 02:06:59,870 words by Spiros chance I've been to his 2739 02:07:04,420 --> 02:07:02,030 house I've seen his files 2740 02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:04,430 I've seen his research papers and you 2741 02:07:11,439 --> 02:07:07,250 know I've seen his diary all from this 2742 02:07:13,660 --> 02:07:11,449 era I even saw faxes from Kodak we're 2743 02:07:16,180 --> 02:07:13,670 telling him what age codes that the film 2744 02:07:17,950 --> 02:07:16,190 should have and all this and a whole 2745 02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:17,960 host of other things I mean sparrows 2746 02:07:24,340 --> 02:07:22,370 even painted a storyboard you might not 2747 02:07:28,330 --> 02:07:24,350 have probably tell you this is quite a 2748 02:07:29,950 --> 02:07:28,340 he's quite a good artist himself and it 2749 02:07:31,900 --> 02:07:29,960 wasn't just the storyboard and little 2750 02:07:33,340 --> 02:07:31,910 pictures these are full-size paintings 2751 02:07:36,130 --> 02:07:33,350 and there's a whole array of these it 2752 02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:36,140 must be I don't know 20 or so maybe 2753 02:07:42,070 --> 02:07:39,290 somewhere around there so not only does 2754 02:07:44,170 --> 02:07:42,080 he tell the story he can support what 2755 02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:44,180 it's saying with with documentary 2756 02:07:49,390 --> 02:07:47,090 evidence however when you go to rain 2757 02:07:51,700 --> 02:07:49,400 sound Tilley it's great at telling you 2758 02:07:53,979 --> 02:07:51,710 the story but you can't support 2759 02:07:57,070 --> 02:07:53,989 with any documentary evidence because it 2760 02:07:59,920 --> 02:07:57,080 doesn't exist it's as simple as that you 2761 02:08:02,140 --> 02:07:59,930 know I'll give you an example when I 2762 02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:02,150 when I met Santilli for the first time I 2763 02:08:07,330 --> 02:08:04,310 asked him what his intentions were to do 2764 02:08:09,940 --> 02:08:07,340 with the film he said I want to 2765 02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:09,950 commercialize it okay no problem that is 2766 02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:15,530 his film then surely you would have it 2767 02:08:22,150 --> 02:08:18,650 authenticated correctly if you'd have 2768 02:08:25,660 --> 02:08:22,160 had this if this was real film from 1947 2769 02:08:28,020 --> 02:08:25,670 and you had it hath authenticated it 2770 02:08:30,700 --> 02:08:28,030 would be priceless 2771 02:08:33,250 --> 02:08:30,710 quite literally priceless the 30 odd 2772 02:08:35,500 --> 02:08:33,260 million dollars days possibly made now 2773 02:08:37,570 --> 02:08:35,510 would be a drop in the ocean now ray 2774 02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:37,580 being a savvy businessman would have 2775 02:08:43,300 --> 02:08:40,370 known that chance so there is no excuse 2776 02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:43,310 as to why he would not have the film 2777 02:08:49,570 --> 02:08:45,920 authenticated I asked her if she filled 2778 02:08:55,390 --> 02:08:49,580 up about his saying that he saw the 2779 02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:55,400 original 1947 alien autopsy film and its 2780 02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:57,770 entirety which was as he said a minute 2781 02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:01,040 in 18 seconds and he said that he didn't 2782 02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:04,130 remember it basically because he'd seen 2783 02:09:09,459 --> 02:09:06,770 the alien autopsy film so many times 2784 02:09:13,150 --> 02:09:09,469 meaning the 18 minute long one that it 2785 02:09:15,490 --> 02:09:13,160 just he wasn't able to recall it I can 2786 02:09:18,850 --> 02:09:15,500 tell you and I told Spiro says there is 2787 02:09:21,790 --> 02:09:18,860 no way in hell that I would ever forget 2788 02:09:23,950 --> 02:09:21,800 seeing a real alien if I really knew 2789 02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:23,960 that's what it was on film there's no 2790 02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:25,730 way and I know Frank would never forget 2791 02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:27,170 that either I know you wouldn't I know 2792 02:09:33,250 --> 02:09:29,810 Spiros would never forget seeing a real 2793 02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:33,260 alien on just wait show me eat eat 2794 02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:36,320 200 million times and I would still see 2795 02:09:41,050 --> 02:09:39,530 that alien in I mean et the movie by 2796 02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:41,060 Spielberg they could show me that a 2797 02:09:45,070 --> 02:09:43,040 million times but I could I could look 2798 02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:45,080 at the 18 minute alien autopsy movie a 2799 02:09:49,660 --> 02:09:47,570 million times and still remember seeing 2800 02:09:52,030 --> 02:09:49,670 a real alien there's no way anybody 2801 02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:52,040 could forget that yeah not only that 2802 02:09:59,170 --> 02:09:55,850 what let's say for example we'll go with 2803 02:10:02,410 --> 02:09:59,180 Ray's story and that it was a inverted 2804 02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:02,420 commas a restoration well then why did 2805 02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:04,880 they make two restorations because there 2806 02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:05,690 are two 2807 02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:08,810 separate a and different alien autopsy 2808 02:10:16,689 --> 02:10:14,480 films yes well let's say you're gonna 2809 02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:16,699 restore the Mona Lisa we're not gonna 2810 02:10:20,740 --> 02:10:18,290 restore two of them because there's only 2811 02:10:23,410 --> 02:10:20,750 one you just paint an X or a mecha I 2812 02:10:25,570 --> 02:10:23,420 think well I'll sass her up a little bit 2813 02:10:27,459 --> 02:10:25,580 I mecha boobs a bit bigger and I really 2814 02:10:28,540 --> 02:10:27,469 will paint her playing a proper smile on 2815 02:10:31,689 --> 02:10:28,550 her because she looks a bit of a 2816 02:10:34,990 --> 02:10:31,699 miserable bugger you know it just would 2817 02:10:36,939 --> 02:10:35,000 not happen and Spiros can you please 2818 02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:36,949 mention when Phil is done here about the 2819 02:10:48,370 --> 02:10:38,690 bleached parts of the film Gary is 2820 02:10:50,860 --> 02:10:48,380 claimed on a big omission okay that will 2821 02:10:54,820 --> 02:10:50,870 come out in my book but it's it's it's 2822 02:10:57,820 --> 02:10:54,830 very very contrite okay I spoke to John 2823 02:10:59,620 --> 02:10:57,830 Humphrys who is a very good friend we 2824 02:11:02,470 --> 02:10:59,630 stopped talking because Santilli for 2825 02:11:05,530 --> 02:11:02,480 many many years and we recently started 2826 02:11:08,260 --> 02:11:05,540 talking again but I did call him a few 2827 02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:08,270 years ago and I said ray I said John I'm 2828 02:11:13,630 --> 02:11:11,090 going to claim the copyright of the film 2829 02:11:15,550 --> 02:11:13,640 and I've got enough evidence to turn 2830 02:11:17,770 --> 02:11:15,560 this around because originally it's Ray 2831 02:11:21,220 --> 02:11:17,780 Santilli had registered the copyright 2832 02:11:23,380 --> 02:11:21,230 and I said to him I'm going to claim the 2833 02:11:26,050 --> 02:11:23,390 copyright of the film and I want to 2834 02:11:28,780 --> 02:11:26,060 include your name because we did the 2835 02:11:30,970 --> 02:11:28,790 film that the the body together I don't 2836 02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:30,980 want to cut you out and I said but at 2837 02:11:36,189 --> 02:11:33,440 the moment you're saying what Santilli 2838 02:11:40,150 --> 02:11:36,199 told you to say which is that you saw 2839 02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:40,160 real film and you copied real film to 2840 02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:43,760 make this creature if that is true then 2841 02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:46,010 you cannot claim the copyright for the 2842 02:11:51,220 --> 02:11:48,770 design of the creature and I said to him 2843 02:11:55,620 --> 02:11:51,230 so I am going to claim the copyright 2844 02:11:59,020 --> 02:11:55,630 because I am the guy who made this film 2845 02:12:03,040 --> 02:11:59,030 now I either cut you out or I include 2846 02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:03,050 you if I include you you have to tell 2847 02:12:08,140 --> 02:12:06,290 the truth he said entirely in my name I 2848 02:12:10,150 --> 02:12:08,150 don't want you later telling me that 2849 02:12:11,890 --> 02:12:10,160 somehow I did something wrong and he 2850 02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:11,900 said no no I fully appreciate what 2851 02:12:16,689 --> 02:12:14,480 you've just told me please go ahead you 2852 02:12:19,700 --> 02:12:16,699 deserve it okay then all they'd all made 2853 02:12:23,900 --> 02:12:19,710 money is he so I went ahead 2854 02:12:25,310 --> 02:12:23,910 but I said - I said to John here's the 2855 02:12:26,780 --> 02:12:25,320 problem you're gonna have John and 2856 02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:26,790 you're gonna go down in history as the 2857 02:12:34,130 --> 02:12:29,760 guy who lied okay and I'll tell you what 2858 02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:34,140 that is Santilli didn't meet you until 2859 02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:37,770 after we made the alien so how could he 2860 02:12:43,130 --> 02:12:41,850 have shown you any real film to copy the 2861 02:12:46,820 --> 02:12:43,140 only person that could have shown you 2862 02:12:49,070 --> 02:12:46,830 real film is me because Santilli didn't 2863 02:12:50,930 --> 02:12:49,080 know the crew until afterward so I 2864 02:12:53,960 --> 02:12:50,940 didn't I didn't let them talk to each 2865 02:12:56,630 --> 02:12:53,970 other they were two separate parts so I 2866 02:12:58,310 --> 02:12:56,640 said I said John you and I sat down in 2867 02:13:00,500 --> 02:12:58,320 four british restaurant and we did 2868 02:13:02,660 --> 02:13:00,510 sketches of what this alien is going to 2869 02:13:05,770 --> 02:13:02,670 look like and the features it would have 2870 02:13:08,330 --> 02:13:05,780 and that's what you built this body from 2871 02:13:12,500 --> 02:13:08,340 so the only thing you've ever seen is my 2872 02:13:15,620 --> 02:13:12,510 drawings so John went very quiet and I 2873 02:13:18,580 --> 02:13:15,630 said to John so if you are going to say 2874 02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:18,590 that Ray Santilli showed you real film 2875 02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:22,890 the diary will show that you guys didn't 2876 02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:27,210 even meet so how does that work and he 2877 02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:28,410 said oh listen I'm just not going to 2878 02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:30,210 talk to anybody anymore I'm not going to 2879 02:13:34,280 --> 02:13:32,010 do any interviews I just don't want to 2880 02:13:35,870 --> 02:13:34,290 talk to anyone anymore okay because he's 2881 02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:35,880 neutered he's in the middle of nowhere 2882 02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:37,770 but that's something that I'm putting 2883 02:13:44,180 --> 02:13:40,800 out there okay if there was genuine film 2884 02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:44,190 and Santilli story is that John created 2885 02:13:49,610 --> 02:13:47,010 the body from original film how the hell 2886 02:13:52,070 --> 02:13:49,620 did he see it without I mean he maybe 2887 02:13:54,380 --> 02:13:52,080 it's a remote viewing but how the hell 2888 02:13:55,540 --> 02:13:54,390 did he see it if Ray didn't even know 2889 02:13:59,960 --> 02:13:55,550 him 2890 02:14:01,940 --> 02:13:59,970 right it's it's it's so many things it's 2891 02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:01,950 not one thing is so many things that 2892 02:14:06,710 --> 02:14:04,110 point to this being exactly what we're 2893 02:14:09,470 --> 02:14:06,720 saying it is there is no real film I've 2894 02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:09,480 never seen I've never seen any real film 2895 02:14:13,970 --> 02:14:12,090 you know III haven't be sure if I was 2896 02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:13,980 shown real film let me position it for 2897 02:14:18,710 --> 02:14:16,530 you a different way I would be one of 2898 02:14:22,220 --> 02:14:18,720 the few people on the planet who have 2899 02:14:24,680 --> 02:14:22,230 seen a real alien right I would be one 2900 02:14:27,230 --> 02:14:24,690 of the few P is much bigger than that 2901 02:14:29,180 --> 02:14:27,240 than this the guy that I am today 2902 02:14:31,460 --> 02:14:29,190 the guy that I am today I made some 2903 02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:31,470 little film right I'm not the guy that 2904 02:14:37,609 --> 02:14:33,599 witnessed a genuine alien 2905 02:14:39,890 --> 02:14:37,619 that's a bigger thing okay so morphing 2906 02:14:43,550 --> 02:14:39,900 as the filmmaker anyone out there that 2907 02:14:46,250 --> 02:14:43,560 knows about making films if I asked you 2908 02:14:49,790 --> 02:14:46,260 to copy an existing film and make it 2909 02:14:52,729 --> 02:14:49,800 exactly the same so that it blends in so 2910 02:14:56,930 --> 02:14:52,739 you can't see the difference that is an 2911 02:14:59,569 --> 02:14:56,940 enormous job and it's much better a a 2912 02:15:02,419 --> 02:14:59,579 quality of expertise that I have 2913 02:15:04,490 --> 02:15:02,429 displayed right I would much rather be 2914 02:15:07,550 --> 02:15:04,500 the guy that made this amazing replica 2915 02:15:09,229 --> 02:15:07,560 because that's harder I didn't have the 2916 02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:09,239 constraints of having to make things 2917 02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:10,380 exactly the same 2918 02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:12,210 I had freedom to make up with a clock 2919 02:15:16,939 --> 02:15:14,400 here I'll put a Bunsen burner there I 2920 02:15:18,649 --> 02:15:16,949 put a telephone there I could do what I 2921 02:15:21,050 --> 02:15:18,659 like and no one's gonna scrutinize it 2922 02:15:23,300 --> 02:15:21,060 okay if I had to make it exactly the 2923 02:15:25,339 --> 02:15:23,310 same do you not have the enormity you 2924 02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:25,349 know they had a Rolex watching Ben Hur 2925 02:15:29,330 --> 02:15:27,480 that's how easy it is to make a mistake 2926 02:15:32,060 --> 02:15:29,340 okay okay 2927 02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:32,070 okay so it's an enormous problem I 2928 02:15:36,410 --> 02:15:34,110 didn't have that problem so you're 2929 02:15:38,510 --> 02:15:36,420 making you'll make it if if I did what 2930 02:15:40,819 --> 02:15:38,520 race entity says I did I am a much 2931 02:15:42,770 --> 02:15:40,829 better filmmaker than I really am we 2932 02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:42,780 have a lot of talk show hosts out there 2933 02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:45,810 however throwing a lot of things into 2934 02:15:51,169 --> 02:15:48,239 the mix that are fake interviewing 2935 02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,179 people as though the memo is real and 2936 02:15:55,729 --> 02:15:52,800 you know I just found it interesting 2937 02:15:58,879 --> 02:15:55,739 that kick green did an interview but he 2938 02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:58,889 would not allow himself to be his own 2939 02:16:02,810 --> 02:16:01,440 voice to be revealed he would not allow 2940 02:16:04,700 --> 02:16:02,820 transcript of the interview as my 2941 02:16:07,550 --> 02:16:04,710 understanding what are your thoughts 2942 02:16:09,050 --> 02:16:07,560 about that kick green interview well 2943 02:16:11,959 --> 02:16:09,060 I've said all along 2944 02:16:14,209 --> 02:16:11,969 it happens yeah whether it be kick green 2945 02:16:17,930 --> 02:16:14,219 they're interviewing or whether it's 2946 02:16:21,950 --> 02:16:17,940 race and Tilly yourself excluded from 2947 02:16:25,399 --> 02:16:21,960 this they've got the wrong people asking 2948 02:16:27,890 --> 02:16:25,409 the wrong questions yes they they they a 2949 02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:27,900 they know next to nothing about the 2950 02:16:32,570 --> 02:16:31,050 alien autopsy film who happened what 2951 02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:32,580 happened where did it happen 2952 02:16:37,940 --> 02:16:35,519 you know you open questions who what why 2953 02:16:40,129 --> 02:16:37,950 where and when you know those are those 2954 02:16:45,469 --> 02:16:40,139 type of questions haven't been as asked 2955 02:16:47,500 --> 02:16:45,479 so if you were trying to keep the lid on 2956 02:16:50,470 --> 02:16:47,510 this or deceive someone then you 2957 02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:50,480 you'd pick someone like those that they 2958 02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:52,370 have done because they don't know what 2959 02:16:56,260 --> 02:16:54,170 they're talking about so when they would 2960 02:16:58,209 --> 02:16:56,270 be the natural people to go with chant 2961 02:17:00,459 --> 02:16:58,219 would you would you not agree the wrong 2962 02:17:02,590 --> 02:17:00,469 people asking the wrong questions I'll 2963 02:17:04,209 --> 02:17:02,600 mention one gentleman Richard Dolan I 2964 02:17:07,330 --> 02:17:04,219 have nothing against Richard he's a very 2965 02:17:11,459 --> 02:17:07,340 nice guy you know and I said would you 2966 02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:11,469 put some questions to mr. green for me 2967 02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:15,170 and one of the questions and III can be 2968 02:17:19,300 --> 02:17:17,090 a bit blunt I'm a bluntly Aukerman and I 2969 02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:19,310 make no apologies for it I love you for 2970 02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:19,690 it 2971 02:17:30,700 --> 02:17:24,160 up north and I said that my question is 2972 02:17:33,820 --> 02:17:30,710 how can you dr. Krick Green MD PhD how 2973 02:17:38,410 --> 02:17:33,830 can you look at the Santilli film with 2974 02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:38,420 all your expertise and say it's real how 2975 02:17:43,630 --> 02:17:40,730 how could a man with your credentials 2976 02:17:45,640 --> 02:17:43,640 and your experience before and this has 2977 02:17:49,300 --> 02:17:45,650 got nothing to what the CIA allegedly 2978 02:17:51,340 --> 02:17:49,310 showed him before as we've looked at 2979 02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:51,350 that memo tonight this was him giving 2980 02:17:56,620 --> 02:17:54,080 his own medical opinion of what he saw 2981 02:18:00,990 --> 02:17:56,630 on that film yet Dolan says you're a bit 2982 02:18:05,050 --> 02:18:01,000 rude rude I'm asking a straightforward 2983 02:18:05,380 --> 02:18:05,060 direct question you know okay as simple 2984 02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:05,390 as that 2985 02:18:11,709 --> 02:18:07,760 and now let me jump in here real quick 2986 02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:11,719 if I can say okay let me finish up and I 2987 02:18:19,600 --> 02:18:13,130 want to say something nice about chance 2988 02:18:22,360 --> 02:18:19,610 this is a big moment the the biggest 2989 02:18:25,870 --> 02:18:22,370 problem I have with this is I can hear 2990 02:18:27,670 --> 02:18:25,880 the conversation in my head of how a 2991 02:18:30,670 --> 02:18:27,680 negotiation like this would have taken 2992 02:18:34,300 --> 02:18:30,680 place we need somebody like KITT green 2993 02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:34,310 to give it credibility but KITT Green is 2994 02:18:39,610 --> 02:18:37,070 not about to just lie and make things up 2995 02:18:41,500 --> 02:18:39,620 so KITT Green says okay well you know I 2996 02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:41,510 want to have veto on what you put out 2997 02:18:46,209 --> 02:18:43,610 there I want to make sure that what you 2998 02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,219 say is what I said I want to make sure 2999 02:18:51,430 --> 02:18:48,080 yeah yet no problem no problem 3000 02:18:55,209 --> 02:18:51,440 is it possible that kick green did see 3001 02:18:58,840 --> 02:18:55,219 another autopsy not of an alien because 3002 02:19:00,889 --> 02:18:58,850 he has said this he has said after it 3003 02:19:03,769 --> 02:19:00,899 was released this is not a 3004 02:19:07,309 --> 02:19:03,779 human on the on this and he also said 3005 02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:07,319 this is not an alien great so so not 3006 02:19:12,500 --> 02:19:10,319 human he said he's not an alien okay now 3007 02:19:15,319 --> 02:19:12,510 this was after the first release of 3008 02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:15,329 papers that he was upset about so is it 3009 02:19:20,569 --> 02:19:18,719 possible that we interview kit green 3010 02:19:22,939 --> 02:19:20,579 let's just position ourselves in this 3011 02:19:24,620 --> 02:19:22,949 situation so mr. green can you tell it 3012 02:19:26,089 --> 02:19:24,630 not to cream you'd please tell us about 3013 02:19:27,799 --> 02:19:26,099 any autopsies that you've done that have 3014 02:19:29,809 --> 02:19:27,809 been unusual in your career that you've 3015 02:19:31,729 --> 02:19:29,819 seen in CIA blah blah blah 3016 02:19:34,399 --> 02:19:31,739 oh yeah there was this one time and we 3017 02:19:36,589 --> 02:19:34,409 saw it was a deformed human being it had 3018 02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:36,599 a had all these different ailments and 3019 02:19:42,379 --> 02:19:39,599 different things and genetic disorders 3020 02:19:45,469 --> 02:19:42,389 and it was yeah so they had progeria 3021 02:19:49,340 --> 02:19:45,479 which you premature aging yes now that 3022 02:19:51,739 --> 02:19:49,350 could be an autopsy he saw from the CIA 3023 02:19:53,689 --> 02:19:51,749 within the CIA nothing to do with what 3024 02:19:55,790 --> 02:19:53,699 we're talking about but it was discussed 3025 02:19:57,679 --> 02:19:55,800 and it was written down it was recorded 3026 02:19:59,929 --> 02:19:57,689 and written down there is it just Park 3027 02:20:02,689 --> 02:19:59,939 that on the left for a second now let's 3028 02:20:03,979 --> 02:20:02,699 talk about the alien autopsy did you see 3029 02:20:07,790 --> 02:20:03,989 it oh yes I saw that 3030 02:20:09,529 --> 02:20:07,800 in 1995 okay and what did you think of 3031 02:20:12,500 --> 02:20:09,539 it well it looked quite good but I can't 3032 02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:12,510 really tell better than it does it 3033 02:20:14,059 --> 02:20:13,439 resemble anything you've ever seen 3034 02:20:17,050 --> 02:20:14,069 before 3035 02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:17,060 now all these questions are carefully 3036 02:20:22,849 --> 02:20:20,130 put together and then when we do our cut 3037 02:20:25,639 --> 02:20:22,859 and paste yeah we talk we talk about one 3038 02:20:27,739 --> 02:20:25,649 and push it into the other that's why 3039 02:20:30,590 --> 02:20:27,749 the dates don't match up right what 3040 02:20:34,719 --> 02:20:30,600 that's why I kick cream said he saw 3041 02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:34,729 something in in 92 or whatever it was in 3042 02:20:41,389 --> 02:20:37,770 1988 it couldn't happen it couldn't have 3043 02:20:46,130 --> 02:20:41,399 been my film but later here's the bit 3044 02:20:48,889 --> 02:20:46,140 I'm getting to Dolan said he has been 3045 02:20:51,409 --> 02:20:48,899 told off by kid green for releasing what 3046 02:20:53,719 --> 02:20:51,419 he released and he wasn't happy that he 3047 02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:53,729 released what he released and he wants 3048 02:20:59,929 --> 02:20:56,010 to he wanted to do something bla bla bla 3049 02:21:04,219 --> 02:20:59,939 but all he will say for now is that what 3050 02:21:09,559 --> 02:21:04,229 was on that table was not alien right 3051 02:21:12,019 --> 02:21:09,569 he's not talking about my film no but he 3052 02:21:13,610 --> 02:21:12,029 is again I mean Dolan's now released an 3053 02:21:17,390 --> 02:21:13,620 article 3054 02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:17,400 and kick green he's now saying the bits 3055 02:21:24,801 --> 02:21:22,170 of what he saw back in 1987 are the same 3056 02:21:28,970 --> 02:21:24,811 as your film and that's including the 3057 02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:28,980 location the table the creatures face so 3058 02:21:34,220 --> 02:21:31,290 now it's gone from seeing the whole film 3059 02:21:36,320 --> 02:21:34,230 has been exactly the same - now only 3060 02:21:39,261 --> 02:21:36,330 bits of it being exactly the same role 3061 02:21:42,380 --> 02:21:39,271 that came from 3062 02:21:45,080 --> 02:21:42,390 well we'll accept and I wouldn't say 3063 02:21:46,761 --> 02:21:45,090 that that that Richard would lie I do 3064 02:21:48,470 --> 02:21:46,771 believe he may well have done the the 3065 02:21:49,130 --> 02:21:48,480 interview for sake of argument we'll 3066 02:21:53,301 --> 02:21:49,140 accept that 3067 02:21:57,980 --> 02:21:53,311 so again again Spiros that is no way 3068 02:22:00,920 --> 02:21:57,990 that from 1987 he could even see bits of 3069 02:22:02,890 --> 02:22:00,930 the film the same as yours do matter 3070 02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:02,900 whether he saw a bit or the whole of it 3071 02:22:07,820 --> 02:22:06,210 and I said to Dolan yeah the only way 3072 02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:07,830 you could see if he's got a time machine 3073 02:22:11,870 --> 02:22:10,080 and Dolan said this is one of his pod 3074 02:22:14,600 --> 02:22:11,880 class with a smirk on his face and I 3075 02:22:16,220 --> 02:22:14,610 won't ever forget that smirk yeah and as 3076 02:22:22,790 --> 02:22:16,230 if to say what do you know this guy's 3077 02:22:25,250 --> 02:22:22,800 got a PhD you know fie something because 3078 02:22:27,620 --> 02:22:25,260 because I'm not saying down in this line 3079 02:22:29,150 --> 02:22:27,630 alright because it's not one person 3080 02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:29,160 involved in this little machine right 3081 02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:30,720 there's a lot of people involved 3082 02:22:34,520 --> 02:22:32,610 somebody who cut and pasted that 3083 02:22:35,720 --> 02:22:34,530 document doesn't have to be Dolan it 3084 02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:35,730 could be somebody who delivered it to 3085 02:22:42,650 --> 02:22:39,120 Godin somebody along the line has done 3086 02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:42,660 the skullduggery and Dolan can see an 3087 02:22:50,570 --> 02:22:44,880 opportunity to make money whilst 3088 02:22:53,180 --> 02:22:50,580 delivering materials that I don't think 3089 02:22:55,761 --> 02:22:53,190 he has to even be part of this no he's 3090 02:22:57,591 --> 02:22:55,771 not what now once Dolan looks at it and 3091 02:22:59,330 --> 02:22:57,601 says you know what I don't believe a 3092 02:23:01,250 --> 02:22:59,340 thing in it but you know what it's not 3093 02:23:04,190 --> 02:23:01,260 for me to judge it's not for me to judge 3094 02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:04,200 I will put it behind the vault and if 3095 02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:06,240 they want to pay to see they can pay to 3096 02:23:10,220 --> 02:23:08,880 see I'm not making a judgment I don't 3097 02:23:14,120 --> 02:23:10,230 know this is what I've been given 3098 02:23:17,180 --> 02:23:14,130 let's look at this now yeah but hold on 3099 02:23:18,770 --> 02:23:17,190 kit Green has said this is real that's 3100 02:23:20,600 --> 02:23:18,780 real that's real but this is wrong but 3101 02:23:23,060 --> 02:23:20,610 but something's not quite right here why 3102 02:23:24,830 --> 02:23:23,070 did you say that some he did have a go 3103 02:23:28,400 --> 02:23:24,840 at him for releasing stuff that he 3104 02:23:30,631 --> 02:23:28,410 didn't apparently say am i right 3105 02:23:33,421 --> 02:23:30,641 laughter it was first released 3106 02:23:35,820 --> 02:23:33,431 didn't-didn't Dolan say that kits upset 3107 02:23:38,461 --> 02:23:35,830 with him because he he wasn't supposed 3108 02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:38,471 to release something I didn't want it 3109 02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:40,450 didn't want to transcript really saying 3110 02:23:45,450 --> 02:23:42,010 he didn't want the interviewee releasing 3111 02:23:51,301 --> 02:23:45,460 yes so so what what Richard did was just 3112 02:23:52,890 --> 02:23:51,311 just a few segments from it but there's 3113 02:23:54,780 --> 02:23:52,900 no way you could see it spare us whether 3114 02:24:00,450 --> 02:23:54,790 it's a bit of your film or the entire 3115 02:24:02,280 --> 02:24:00,460 film they it's just not possible Phil 3116 02:24:05,310 --> 02:24:02,290 and Spiros are saying essentially is 3117 02:24:08,780 --> 02:24:05,320 that kick Greene allegedly in this memo 3118 02:24:12,540 --> 02:24:08,790 claimed that he saw this film prior to 3119 02:24:15,150 --> 02:24:12,550 1995 and what Spiros and Phil have said 3120 02:24:17,430 --> 02:24:15,160 repeatedly not just on this podcast but 3121 02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:17,440 ad nauseam because they've tried to 3122 02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:20,800 educate the public repeatedly that 3123 02:24:27,421 --> 02:24:24,130 there's no way in hell kick Greene saw 3124 02:24:30,841 --> 02:24:27,431 this 18 minute alien autopsy film prior 3125 02:24:34,740 --> 02:24:30,851 to 1995 because the alien autopsy film 3126 02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:34,750 was made in 1995 yeah I've got a green 3127 02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:37,690 statement here I regarding that several 3128 02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:40,000 shots from the pictures I was shown then 3129 02:24:43,770 --> 02:24:42,010 later appeared in the greeny Santilli 3130 02:24:46,320 --> 02:24:43,780 film not the body I never said it was 3131 02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:46,330 the body it was the face still it was 3132 02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:47,920 the shot of the subject that was the 3133 02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:50,650 shot of the wall it was the shot of the 3134 02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:51,130 table 3135 02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:53,110 it was the shot of the part of the foot 3136 02:24:57,421 --> 02:24:54,880 it was not the shot that I could say was 3137 02:24:59,970 --> 02:24:57,431 the same body so that's apparently what 3138 02:25:01,740 --> 02:24:59,980 he said the dawn yes in other words bits 3139 02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:01,750 and pieces of it I saw that what exactly 3140 02:25:08,100 --> 02:25:04,000 the same make keep which included in the 3141 02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:08,110 face okay it is the subject not the body 3142 02:25:14,370 --> 02:25:10,330 I I don't know I would have thought it 3143 02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:14,380 was but either way it's it's just not 3144 02:25:18,211 --> 02:25:15,130 possible 3145 02:25:20,310 --> 02:25:18,221 I don't we if we write down the given 3146 02:25:22,530 --> 02:25:20,320 write what we know for a fact we know 3147 02:25:25,320 --> 02:25:22,540 for a fact that Kip green is an 3148 02:25:28,230 --> 02:25:25,330 intelligent educated man we know that 3149 02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:28,240 for a fact yes we can't dispute that we 3150 02:25:33,390 --> 02:25:31,090 also know that a number of other people 3151 02:25:37,261 --> 02:25:33,400 involved in this machine are businessmen 3152 02:25:39,301 --> 02:25:37,271 right they have their hand out yes okay 3153 02:25:40,740 --> 02:25:39,311 we know that for a fact we don't have to 3154 02:25:42,660 --> 02:25:40,750 dispute that either 3155 02:25:43,950 --> 02:25:42,670 we also know we have a document which is 3156 02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:43,960 full of holes 3157 02:25:49,469 --> 02:25:47,050 which tells us it's not genuine so we 3158 02:25:51,900 --> 02:25:49,479 know for a fact we know for a fact nope 3159 02:25:55,170 --> 02:25:51,910 no dispute that this document cannot be 3160 02:25:58,200 --> 02:25:55,180 relied on in its entirety then what we 3161 02:26:01,080 --> 02:25:58,210 know as a fact is we know for a fact the 3162 02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:01,090 film wasn't made until 1995 3163 02:26:07,650 --> 02:26:05,200 so when kick green if he said this 3164 02:26:09,690 --> 02:26:07,660 because we've only got someone with 3165 02:26:15,090 --> 02:26:09,700 their hand out telling us he said it 3166 02:26:18,059 --> 02:26:15,100 okay I don't think that he said he saw 3167 02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:18,069 those images the things on the wall the 3168 02:26:22,110 --> 02:26:20,170 table that the leg that all these things 3169 02:26:26,969 --> 02:26:22,120 are very specific to my design 3170 02:26:30,929 --> 02:26:26,979 they didn't exist in 95 there was no pre 3171 02:26:34,190 --> 02:26:30,939 record of it so therefore I know for a 3172 02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:34,200 fact with all of the things we do know 3173 02:26:40,830 --> 02:26:37,830 that there is something very wrong here 3174 02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:40,840 we know very we know for a fact kick 3175 02:26:48,090 --> 02:26:44,290 green is too intelligent to say 3176 02:26:51,570 --> 02:26:48,100 something silly like I saw the foot and 3177 02:26:54,719 --> 02:26:51,580 I saw the exact table and I saw the 3178 02:26:57,840 --> 02:26:54,729 exact face when I know in my heart of 3179 02:27:02,700 --> 02:26:57,850 hearts he couldn't have so might take my 3180 02:27:05,219 --> 02:27:02,710 take on this Burroughs yeah is because 3181 02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:05,229 I'm gonna have to go any minute is the 3182 02:27:11,729 --> 02:27:07,600 all is that this is all leading up to 3183 02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:11,739 some kind of documentary and there will 3184 02:27:16,019 --> 02:27:14,319 be Sam Tilly on it there may be others 3185 02:27:18,570 --> 02:27:16,029 we've mentioned tonight even kick green 3186 02:27:20,490 --> 02:27:18,580 might put in appearance who knows and 3187 02:27:22,950 --> 02:27:20,500 it'll keep the whole pot boiling once 3188 02:27:24,990 --> 02:27:22,960 again I feel it's coming I don't know 3189 02:27:26,580 --> 02:27:25,000 where I don't know who was involved that 3190 02:27:29,490 --> 02:27:26,590 I've got I've got some inkling nations 3191 02:27:34,010 --> 02:27:29,500 but I think I think after all that's 3192 02:27:37,380 --> 02:27:34,020 coming yes I think you're right because 3193 02:27:39,059 --> 02:27:37,390 it all comes on the back of this series 3194 02:27:41,580 --> 02:27:39,069 that was called and identified what's 3195 02:27:44,190 --> 02:27:41,590 which is a supposedly gonna be great 3196 02:27:46,290 --> 02:27:44,200 revelations they turned out to be a bit 3197 02:27:48,090 --> 02:27:46,300 of a damp squib if we're honest so 3198 02:27:52,050 --> 02:27:48,100 there's a lot that is there is a market 3199 02:27:54,360 --> 02:27:52,060 for it now and I personally pinion is 3200 02:27:56,970 --> 02:27:54,370 that's what all this is leading to this 3201 02:27:58,620 --> 02:27:56,980 this is the end result so kick green I 3202 02:28:00,480 --> 02:27:58,630 still got to keep the kettle boiling 3203 02:28:03,841 --> 02:28:00,490 somewhere along the line you can't kick 3204 02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:03,851 it all into touch so let's see let's see 3205 02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:04,570 if we're right 3206 02:28:08,250 --> 02:28:06,610 I'll see if I'm right anyway okay and 3207 02:28:10,140 --> 02:28:08,260 let me jump in here and say something 3208 02:28:12,060 --> 02:28:10,150 nice about chant because we had talked 3209 02:28:14,970 --> 02:28:12,070 earlier about some of the questions that 3210 02:28:16,830 --> 02:28:14,980 you wanted to get to Dolan and he didn't 3211 02:28:18,900 --> 02:28:16,840 go with them and let's just say that 3212 02:28:21,240 --> 02:28:18,910 that we had we've had Michael Hall on 3213 02:28:27,870 --> 02:28:21,250 and have had an ongoing relationship 3214 02:28:29,370 --> 02:28:27,880 with him regarding our broadcast yes I'm 3215 02:28:34,860 --> 02:28:29,380 about to say something nice chant so 3216 02:28:37,500 --> 02:28:34,870 please let me finish but after our 3217 02:28:38,400 --> 02:28:37,510 initial interviews with a commander will 3218 02:28:40,710 --> 02:28:38,410 Miller 3219 02:28:43,410 --> 02:28:40,720 Michael had some questions for him and 3220 02:28:44,910 --> 02:28:43,420 chant did pass those questions along to 3221 02:28:46,890 --> 02:28:44,920 commander Miller and he did answer those 3222 02:28:54,570 --> 02:28:46,900 so you know we're we're in this for the 3223 02:28:57,900 --> 02:28:54,580 truth that's what we care about we did 3224 02:29:12,900 --> 02:28:57,910 it you know that way that was the big 3225 02:29:16,110 --> 02:29:12,910 build up cranky with each other all the 3226 02:29:17,820 --> 02:29:16,120 time and we're always like with this 3227 02:29:19,140 --> 02:29:17,830 with each other very cantankerous or 3228 02:29:21,420 --> 02:29:19,150 whatever you want to say we're very 3229 02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:21,430 cranky with each other so that was a big 3230 02:29:25,950 --> 02:29:24,370 moment that was a big moment but 3231 02:29:27,930 --> 02:29:25,960 seriously you know yeah when you ask 3232 02:29:30,841 --> 02:29:27,940 these questions it's sometimes a good 3233 02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:30,851 idea to go around and get some other 3234 02:29:36,450 --> 02:29:33,280 people's perspective and that get some 3235 02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:36,460 questions from them and you get a fuller 3236 02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:38,800 truth not a half truth and now there's 3237 02:29:43,350 --> 02:29:41,680 too much of that in the UFO field good 3238 02:29:46,440 --> 02:29:43,360 on your chant good job though you know 3239 02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:46,450 you're not saying anything Spiros I want 3240 02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:48,250 this on air I don't I won't chant in 3241 02:29:56,390 --> 02:29:51,010 Frank to capture this when is your book 3242 02:29:58,830 --> 02:29:56,400 coming out I'm working on it full speed 3243 02:30:01,290 --> 02:29:58,840 I've given up now trying to get the 3244 02:30:03,060 --> 02:30:01,300 photos that I needed but I'm going to 3245 02:30:04,650 --> 02:30:03,070 I've decided what I'm going to do is I'm 3246 02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:04,660 going to have a website that goes with 3247 02:30:07,640 --> 02:30:06,970 the book you buy the book you get a code 3248 02:30:10,041 --> 02:30:07,650 in the book 3249 02:30:12,470 --> 02:30:10,051 this was unique to you you'd be able to 3250 02:30:14,001 --> 02:30:12,480 access photos and videos and also all 3251 02:30:15,801 --> 02:30:14,011 sort of stuff on the website and 3252 02:30:17,631 --> 02:30:15,811 therefore the book doesn't need to worry 3253 02:30:19,521 --> 02:30:17,641 I don't need to worry about if I can't 3254 02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:19,531 include some photos I need to put in 3255 02:30:24,231 --> 02:30:20,610 there but yes 3256 02:30:30,441 --> 02:30:24,241 by Christmas often Queen excuse me is 3257 02:30:31,970 --> 02:30:30,451 that this Christmas might you have 3258 02:30:38,091 --> 02:30:31,980 anything to do with the publishing of 3259 02:30:40,581 --> 02:30:38,101 this book listen just give you a warning 3260 02:30:42,831 --> 02:30:40,591 mister malarious I'm gonna sell I'm 3261 02:30:44,961 --> 02:30:42,841 gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna remote view 3262 02:30:46,430 --> 02:30:44,971 this so I want to make sure I'm gonna 3263 02:30:48,111 --> 02:30:46,440 keep me keeping an eye on you from a 3264 02:31:01,551 --> 02:30:48,121 distance to make sure you're doing it 3265 02:31:04,011 --> 02:31:01,561 all right but you jump in there I just 3266 02:31:06,081 --> 02:31:04,021 wanted to say before we finish off to 3267 02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:06,091 everybody that's listening that you have 3268 02:31:11,751 --> 02:31:08,610 been the most consistent person in this 3269 02:31:13,461 --> 02:31:11,761 whole episode from the day I mean I met 3270 02:31:15,951 --> 02:31:13,471 you before you even knew who I was 3271 02:31:17,991 --> 02:31:15,961 oh yeah I'll forget about that yeah I 3272 02:31:20,481 --> 02:31:18,001 was in I was in Phillips living room 3273 02:31:22,671 --> 02:31:20,491 filming him and I was the guy to say 3274 02:31:24,030 --> 02:31:22,681 this is when he starts to tell lies 3275 02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:24,040 don't believe a word he's saying 3276 02:31:37,180 --> 02:31:33,831 all I wanted to say was thank you 3277 02:31:41,331 --> 02:31:37,190 Phillip because you've been a level and 3278 02:31:43,791 --> 02:31:41,341 meticulous researcher in a field which 3279 02:31:45,741 --> 02:31:43,801 is full of nonsense it's full of people 3280 02:31:48,051 --> 02:31:45,751 that don't know what they're doing they 3281 02:31:49,761 --> 02:31:48,061 have no qualifications they have no idea 3282 02:31:52,491 --> 02:31:49,771 and they call themselves your follow 3283 02:31:55,881 --> 02:31:52,501 gist there's only few out there who 3284 02:31:59,501 --> 02:31:55,891 actually do the job and the alien 3285 02:32:02,271 --> 02:31:59,511 autopsy was only supposed to be a 3286 02:32:05,631 --> 02:32:02,281 spotlight on don't believe everything 3287 02:32:07,281 --> 02:32:05,641 you see question everything and you know 3288 02:32:09,021 --> 02:32:07,291 what I still haven't been able to 3289 02:32:11,751 --> 02:32:09,031 deliver that message because people 3290 02:32:14,031 --> 02:32:11,761 still think it's real okay and it's the 3291 02:32:15,501 --> 02:32:14,041 people that think it's real a lot of 3292 02:32:17,151 --> 02:32:15,511 them are you apologists and they're 3293 02:32:20,571 --> 02:32:17,161 going out there and they're spurting all 3294 02:32:21,350 --> 02:32:20,581 this nonsense to people as a gospel it's 3295 02:32:26,780 --> 02:32:21,360 a fact 3296 02:32:29,330 --> 02:32:26,790 this job for a long long time you've 3297 02:32:31,730 --> 02:32:29,340 kept it real you've asked questions when 3298 02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:31,740 nobody would go there you don't care if 3299 02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:33,210 you're gonna be rude you're not being 3300 02:32:37,070 --> 02:32:34,970 rude at all you're being very 3301 02:32:39,080 --> 02:32:37,080 straightforward and I wish other people 3302 02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:39,090 would do like you and so thank you for 3303 02:32:45,470 --> 02:32:42,090 that I've recently met someone else 3304 02:32:48,801 --> 02:32:45,480 who's you know what I'm gonna go as far 3305 02:32:52,400 --> 02:32:48,811 as say probably better than you and 3306 02:32:53,900 --> 02:32:52,410 that's John she's she's managed to get 3307 02:32:56,480 --> 02:32:53,910 to the bottom of stuff what was the last 3308 02:32:59,480 --> 02:32:56,490 time Santilli and chu field have spoken 3309 02:33:03,020 --> 02:32:59,490 to anybody about this she's managed to 3310 02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:03,030 get them talking and and freely and 3311 02:33:08,870 --> 02:33:05,760 that's a big thing right listen 3312 02:33:11,150 --> 02:33:08,880 I'm quite willing to hand the torch over 3313 02:33:13,850 --> 02:33:11,160 to channel and say it's your turn now I 3314 02:33:16,460 --> 02:33:13,860 spent all these years you wrong with the 3315 02:33:20,180 --> 02:33:16,470 app you have no problem with that at all 3316 02:33:22,130 --> 02:33:20,190 you know no glory unit I can tell you 3317 02:33:24,530 --> 02:33:22,140 that I've dealt with quite a band of 3318 02:33:27,230 --> 02:33:24,540 haters over saying that this memo is 3319 02:33:29,780 --> 02:33:27,240 fake and Frank has actually witnessed 3320 02:33:33,470 --> 02:33:29,790 this where we've I've actually been 3321 02:33:36,051 --> 02:33:33,480 stalked by people because they want this 3322 02:33:38,450 --> 02:33:36,061 memo to be real so bad one of them 3323 02:33:40,910 --> 02:33:38,460 actually threatened a high profile a 3324 02:33:44,270 --> 02:33:40,920 forensic investigator who's involved in 3325 02:33:46,580 --> 02:33:44,280 ufology telling her that he would he was 3326 02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:46,590 threatening out her on something because 3327 02:33:54,830 --> 02:33:49,490 she would not go along with saying that 3328 02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:54,840 the memo was real and it was just crazy 3329 02:33:59,180 --> 02:33:57,210 but what we witnessed it's not just one 3330 02:34:01,280 --> 02:33:59,190 person it's multiple people and then 3331 02:34:04,370 --> 02:34:01,290 also somebody who's close to Santilli 3332 02:34:08,270 --> 02:34:04,380 and Gary Schofield has also trolled me 3333 02:34:09,770 --> 02:34:08,280 repeatedly with fake accusations that 3334 02:34:12,680 --> 02:34:09,780 are absolutely untrue 3335 02:34:14,600 --> 02:34:12,690 saying that you know I got an interview 3336 02:34:17,390 --> 02:34:14,610 with Santilli without his consent well 3337 02:34:20,120 --> 02:34:17,400 there's no way that can happen Santilli 3338 02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:20,130 you heard clearly Spiros he said he 3339 02:34:24,230 --> 02:34:21,930 would happily do an interview with me 3340 02:34:26,390 --> 02:34:24,240 and he volunteered to do it that's a 3341 02:34:30,140 --> 02:34:26,400 that's on record like he was recorded 3342 02:34:34,911 --> 02:34:30,150 saying that and Phillip also heard that 3343 02:34:40,821 --> 02:34:34,921 too so I mean there's a lot of fury 3344 02:34:43,341 --> 02:34:40,831 and angst and strange emotions running 3345 02:34:45,350 --> 02:34:43,351 about this memo I would like to go ahead 3346 02:34:49,970 --> 02:34:45,360 and postulate a theory that we went 3347 02:34:51,470 --> 02:34:49,980 ahead and put forth before and that is I 3348 02:34:55,031 --> 02:34:51,480 think we're onto something 3349 02:34:58,071 --> 02:34:55,041 that it's quite possible that kid Green 3350 02:35:00,081 --> 02:34:58,081 May and I would love to interview him I 3351 02:35:03,081 --> 02:35:00,091 don't know how to get to him okay but 3352 02:35:07,310 --> 02:35:03,091 maybe somebody has the opera's 3353 02:35:10,341 --> 02:35:07,320 information to me to ask him why is he 3354 02:35:13,461 --> 02:35:10,351 saying that he saw something that we 3355 02:35:18,711 --> 02:35:13,471 know he did not if he's talking about 3356 02:35:20,211 --> 02:35:18,721 the alien autopsy film round on this 3357 02:35:22,251 --> 02:35:20,221 because it says in the memo 3358 02:35:24,650 --> 02:35:22,261 repeatedly and they're very specific 3359 02:35:27,020 --> 02:35:24,660 about this that it is the alien autopsy 3360 02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:27,030 film he's talking about they do not 3361 02:35:33,911 --> 02:35:30,030 deviate from that and that that they are 3362 02:35:37,371 --> 02:35:33,921 stating unequivocally patently saying 3363 02:35:41,421 --> 02:35:37,381 that it is that film that he was able to 3364 02:35:43,551 --> 02:35:41,431 forensic ly analyze organs on okay so I 3365 02:35:45,321 --> 02:35:43,561 understand how if somebody wants to give 3366 02:35:47,751 --> 02:35:45,331 him the benefit of the doubt but if he 3367 02:35:50,001 --> 02:35:47,761 is saying that that is real that memo 3368 02:35:53,241 --> 02:35:50,011 was real in its entirety then I have a 3369 02:35:56,600 --> 02:35:53,251 problem with that and I if that is true 3370 02:35:59,841 --> 02:35:56,610 then I want to know why is he saying 3371 02:36:02,631 --> 02:35:59,851 something that's not true I think that 3372 02:36:05,121 --> 02:36:02,641 this memo was designed as a game and 3373 02:36:07,491 --> 02:36:05,131 somebody benefited from it whether it 3374 02:36:09,671 --> 02:36:07,501 was KITT green and others being on the 3375 02:36:12,711 --> 02:36:09,681 payroll for Bob Bigelow 3376 02:36:14,511 --> 02:36:12,721 for an unknown amount of time and longer 3377 02:36:17,421 --> 02:36:14,521 because they're saying something that's 3378 02:36:19,071 --> 02:36:17,431 not real I don't know but I think it's 3379 02:36:20,961 --> 02:36:19,081 something that's certainly worth 3380 02:36:23,001 --> 02:36:20,971 thinking about because then everything 3381 02:36:25,791 --> 02:36:23,011 starts to fall in place for me regarding 3382 02:36:26,890 --> 02:36:25,801 why this memo stands in the way it is to 3383 02:36:32,321 --> 02:36:26,900 this day 3384 02:36:35,421 --> 02:36:32,331 is it possible KITT green agreed to 3385 02:36:39,770 --> 02:36:35,431 muddy the waters and say some ambiguous 3386 02:36:41,991 --> 02:36:39,780 ambiguous stuff knowing the end the end 3387 02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:42,001 game play for some money and then 3388 02:36:45,531 --> 02:36:43,530 realize that they started putting words 3389 02:36:48,111 --> 02:36:45,541 in his mouth and then he started pulling 3390 02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:48,121 away from it meanwhile we don't know 3391 02:36:53,550 --> 02:36:48,640 what he 3392 02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:53,560 what because he isn't from kit green we 3393 02:37:00,120 --> 02:36:55,770 haven't seen kit green say a single word 3394 02:37:02,610 --> 02:37:00,130 so our guess is as good as anybody's but 3395 02:37:04,170 --> 02:37:02,620 one thing like I said we know all the 3396 02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:04,180 right things we know the fact that it's 3397 02:37:07,860 --> 02:37:05,680 not real we know the fact that it we 3398 02:37:09,360 --> 02:37:07,870 know all the things right which points 3399 02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:09,370 to the fact that this man is not an 3400 02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:12,010 idiot and he would not put himself in a 3401 02:37:17,790 --> 02:37:14,319 position where he will be found to be 3402 02:37:18,570 --> 02:37:17,800 lying so he I don't think he has said 3403 02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:18,580 this stuff 3404 02:37:24,689 --> 02:37:22,720 well the ideally thing I take that I 3405 02:37:26,939 --> 02:37:24,699 have a point of contention with 3406 02:37:28,889 --> 02:37:26,949 regarding what you said is I don't think 3407 02:37:31,740 --> 02:37:28,899 that he said anything ambiguous at all I 3408 02:37:33,360 --> 02:37:31,750 think it was extremely specific and he 3409 02:37:35,820 --> 02:37:33,370 has a grocery list of things to say that 3410 02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:35,830 are very specific about your film so I 3411 02:37:41,849 --> 02:37:37,449 don't think that there wasn't any 3412 02:37:43,830 --> 02:37:41,859 ambiguity at all no I think you talking 3413 02:37:46,170 --> 02:37:43,840 about my film I think he was talking 3414 02:37:48,599 --> 02:37:46,180 about my film in sections and I think 3415 02:37:50,490 --> 02:37:48,609 that when he talks about when he talks 3416 02:37:52,290 --> 02:37:50,500 about the heart and he talks about this 3417 02:37:55,290 --> 02:37:52,300 and the other and the all that stuff is 3418 02:37:57,030 --> 02:37:55,300 something else and therefore on his own 3419 02:37:58,439 --> 02:37:57,040 there's only one way to find out to 3420 02:38:01,559 --> 02:37:58,449 resolve all this we can all think what 3421 02:38:04,260 --> 02:38:01,569 we was but it's for for you chanting 3422 02:38:08,969 --> 02:38:04,270 Frank to get hold of him and get him on 3423 02:38:11,429 --> 02:38:08,979 the record only one person who has that 3424 02:38:14,490 --> 02:38:11,439 opportunity to interview him I'm 3425 02:38:17,610 --> 02:38:14,500 guessing at any given time or has has 3426 02:38:20,010 --> 02:38:17,620 recently allegedly interviewed him which 3427 02:38:24,450 --> 02:38:20,020 I have no reason to doubt that he has 3428 02:38:26,700 --> 02:38:24,460 not however of he is not asking this 3429 02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:26,710 talk-show host is not asking any real 3430 02:38:32,610 --> 02:38:29,680 questions no that would bout dates well 3431 02:38:34,559 --> 02:38:32,620 I'll tell you this I have kicked greens 3432 02:38:38,760 --> 02:38:34,569 email I'll pass it on to you yeah I've 3433 02:38:41,340 --> 02:38:38,770 got that too hard to sanitary yeah it 3434 02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:41,350 would be we have kick rinse email what 3435 02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:42,970 would be better is if we had his phone 3436 02:38:47,340 --> 02:38:44,800 number okay I know that sounds ideal and 3437 02:38:50,309 --> 02:38:47,350 all that but it would be nice to just be 3438 02:38:53,250 --> 02:38:50,319 able to call him up and ask him hey why 3439 02:38:55,740 --> 02:38:53,260 are you saying brain rug eh why do you 3440 02:38:57,660 --> 02:38:55,750 believe that John Alexander and how put 3441 02:38:59,399 --> 02:38:57,670 us email are correct in this when they 3442 02:39:01,810 --> 02:38:59,409 did not work for General Motors or 3443 02:39:04,960 --> 02:39:01,820 Singapore why does John 3444 02:39:07,690 --> 02:39:04,970 Zander's say who you know very well that 3445 02:39:11,560 --> 02:39:07,700 this memo is not real and he's mentioned 3446 02:39:13,660 --> 02:39:11,570 it in in in this email himself so why 3447 02:39:15,580 --> 02:39:13,670 are all these inconsistencies happening 3448 02:39:16,750 --> 02:39:15,590 why is there header in the email that 3449 02:39:18,761 --> 02:39:16,760 makes no sense 3450 02:39:20,860 --> 02:39:18,771 technology wise there's no way that 3451 02:39:24,610 --> 02:39:20,870 header could actually happen regarding 3452 02:39:26,830 --> 02:39:24,620 an actual email being emailed so so 3453 02:39:28,750 --> 02:39:26,840 there's a lot more than that but I'll 3454 02:39:37,300 --> 02:39:28,760 just stop there otherwise I'm going to 3455 02:39:40,360 --> 02:39:37,310 end up ranting again there's so many 3456 02:39:42,490 --> 02:39:40,370 people the reasons see one reason our 3457 02:39:45,310 --> 02:39:42,500 audience doesn't really know this but 3458 02:39:48,730 --> 02:39:45,320 one reason why people are holding onto 3459 02:39:50,140 --> 02:39:48,740 this like like a doll like a little 3460 02:39:52,420 --> 02:39:50,150 dolly like a two-year-old might hold 3461 02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:52,430 onto their doll and never let it go the 3462 02:39:57,340 --> 02:39:54,170 reason why they're doing this is because 3463 02:39:59,890 --> 02:39:57,350 they have something to gain okay and 3464 02:40:02,650 --> 02:39:59,900 I've done all of my research for zero 3465 02:40:05,800 --> 02:40:02,660 pennies I make no money off of this why 3466 02:40:09,490 --> 02:40:05,810 am I so passionate about it because this 3467 02:40:11,880 --> 02:40:09,500 memo was designed as a game to full 3468 02:40:15,610 --> 02:40:11,890 people and there's all kinds of 3469 02:40:18,340 --> 02:40:15,620 fraudulent there's all kinds of fraud 3470 02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:18,350 and hoaxes being perpetuated perpetrated 3471 02:40:24,490 --> 02:40:21,530 upon the realm of ufology I'm not gonna 3472 02:40:26,860 --> 02:40:24,500 let this one go by and happen without at 3473 02:40:31,870 --> 02:40:26,870 least letting everybody know that this 3474 02:40:37,450 --> 02:40:31,880 is not real and explaining why I'm off 3475 02:40:39,070 --> 02:40:37,460 my soapbox well are we just about ready 3476 02:40:41,170 --> 02:40:39,080 to wrap up because I think we've gotten 3477 02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:41,180 I estimated that we'd get this done in 3478 02:40:45,790 --> 02:40:42,530 about an hour and a half and we've gone 3479 02:40:47,470 --> 02:40:45,800 to 40 already so in summation anything 3480 02:40:50,500 --> 02:40:47,480 that we didn't get to that you guys want 3481 02:40:53,170 --> 02:40:50,510 to follow up with just the one thing no 3482 02:40:55,270 --> 02:40:53,180 no no just the one thing you all did 3483 02:40:59,170 --> 02:40:55,280 here mr. Mallory says book will be out 3484 02:41:01,990 --> 02:40:59,180 by this Christmas just underlining that 3485 02:41:04,570 --> 02:41:02,000 on the on the record no I look forward 3486 02:41:08,261 --> 02:41:04,580 to reading experience we do need to 3487 02:41:10,180 --> 02:41:08,271 mention that Philip mantel was awarded 3488 02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:10,190 something very important Spiros can you 3489 02:41:23,050 --> 02:41:19,690 award for forty years of service in the 3490 02:41:28,990 --> 02:41:23,060 UFO subject so yeah 3491 02:41:31,540 --> 02:41:29,000 bully for you congratulations pal much I 3492 02:41:33,100 --> 02:41:31,550 did tell Phil that your wife should also 3493 02:41:34,690 --> 02:41:33,110 get a word for having put up with you 3494 02:41:39,150 --> 02:41:34,700 for forty years having been involved in 3495 02:41:41,710 --> 02:41:39,160 ufology no it's not the other way around 3496 02:41:56,200 --> 02:41:41,720 I should get an award for pointing up 3497 02:41:57,670 --> 02:41:56,210 with her telomere I told dr. Irena Scott 3498 02:42:00,190 --> 02:41:57,680 that I would mention her in this 3499 02:42:03,761 --> 02:42:00,200 broadcast we all love her she's been 3500 02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:03,771 solved and ufology for decades we deeply 3501 02:42:08,890 --> 02:42:05,930 respect her as she does her due 3502 02:42:10,720 --> 02:42:08,900 diligence she is a person that makes 3503 02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:10,730 sure that she does her research and she 3504 02:42:16,120 --> 02:42:14,000 also appreciates people who get involved 3505 02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:16,130 in gathering facts evidence and proof if 3506 02:42:20,980 --> 02:42:18,650 there's any to be had she's all about 3507 02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:20,990 science and I want to go ahead and let 3508 02:42:25,090 --> 02:42:23,210 Phil please mention the books that she 3509 02:42:27,220 --> 02:42:25,100 has authored so that we all know the 3510 02:42:30,430 --> 02:42:27,230 title of them and that we can get them 3511 02:42:35,050 --> 02:42:30,440 from your slide I mean she is a you know 3512 02:42:37,090 --> 02:42:35,060 a bona fide PhD she was for many years 3513 02:42:38,830 --> 02:42:37,100 the type of lady who would would do the 3514 02:42:42,190 --> 02:42:38,840 research in the background and was quite 3515 02:42:44,950 --> 02:42:42,200 happy to do that because it's important 3516 02:42:48,280 --> 02:42:44,960 but then we took the opportunity to to 3517 02:42:51,250 --> 02:42:48,290 publish some of her work and the first 3518 02:42:53,890 --> 02:42:51,260 work was UFOs today that is actually 3519 02:42:57,490 --> 02:42:53,900 coming out in Russia and in October as 3520 02:42:59,950 --> 02:42:57,500 well so we we've done a lot of work 3521 02:43:01,150 --> 02:42:59,960 there the whole last book 3522 02:43:03,130 --> 02:43:01,160 we've done three Atiyah the one was 3523 02:43:05,261 --> 02:43:03,140 called inside the lightning bolt which 3524 02:43:07,330 --> 02:43:05,271 talks about her and her sister's own 3525 02:43:10,360 --> 02:43:07,340 encounters so you've got a scientist 3526 02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:10,370 talking about her UFO sightings and all 3527 02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:12,800 experiences and then the third one is 3528 02:43:20,740 --> 02:43:17,840 sacred corridors because dr. irina scott 3529 02:43:23,650 --> 02:43:20,750 was employed at wright-patterson Air 3530 02:43:25,630 --> 02:43:23,660 Force Base for example and she just said 3531 02:43:27,880 --> 02:43:25,640 him in part of the narrative I walk down 3532 02:43:29,090 --> 02:43:27,890 the sacred corridors where official UFO 3533 02:43:30,920 --> 02:43:29,100 study had been done 3534 02:43:34,099 --> 02:43:30,930 so hence the title official corridors 3535 02:43:36,260 --> 02:43:34,109 and there is a little green man in 3536 02:43:39,290 --> 02:43:36,270 wright-patterson Air Force Base and it's 3537 02:43:42,290 --> 02:43:39,300 inside Irina's book and it's actually a 3538 02:43:44,030 --> 02:43:42,300 painting on one of the corridor halls so 3539 02:43:45,920 --> 02:43:44,040 whether I said yeah and it's there so 3540 02:43:48,380 --> 02:43:45,930 it's a bit of tongue in cheek or a bit 3541 02:43:50,030 --> 02:43:48,390 of inside a phone make of it what you 3542 02:43:52,490 --> 02:43:50,040 will but we have a picture of it in the 3543 02:43:55,519 --> 02:43:52,500 book also I've been working on a 3544 02:43:57,800 --> 02:43:55,529 follow-up to Calvin Parkers first book 3545 02:44:00,920 --> 02:43:57,810 this one's called Pascagoula the story 3546 02:44:03,229 --> 02:44:00,930 continues new evidence and new witnesses 3547 02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:03,239 and we've got you know we've have a 3548 02:44:08,059 --> 02:44:04,970 number of witnesses in and around 3549 02:44:10,250 --> 02:44:08,069 Pascagoula and elsewhere in Mississippi 3550 02:44:13,399 --> 02:44:10,260 and Alabama on that night in October 3551 02:44:15,889 --> 02:44:13,409 1973 and Irena is interviewed most of 3552 02:44:17,450 --> 02:44:15,899 them if not all of them for me and she 3553 02:44:19,070 --> 02:44:17,460 has done a wonderful job she's in 3554 02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:19,080 hospital at the moment she's had an 3555 02:44:25,250 --> 02:44:22,050 operation but it's it's been a success 3556 02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:25,260 I'm happy to say so you know she's not 3557 02:44:29,479 --> 02:44:27,600 quite back at work yet that'll be a 3558 02:44:33,109 --> 02:44:29,489 while but she's in communication and she 3559 02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:33,119 is a lovely lovely lady who deserves all 3560 02:44:37,639 --> 02:44:36,210 the accolades she gets she really is we 3561 02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:37,649 need to go ahead mention Calvin Parker 3562 02:44:41,599 --> 02:44:40,409 will be at International UFO Congress 3563 02:44:45,019 --> 02:44:41,609 which is September 4th through the 3564 02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:45,029 September 8th and Phoenix era Arizona so 3565 02:44:50,059 --> 02:44:46,800 please be sure to go ahead and see him 3566 02:44:51,559 --> 02:44:50,069 Frank and I did get the privilege to of 3567 02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:51,569 being able to interview him he's a 3568 02:44:55,070 --> 02:44:53,279 wonderful interview he's a great person 3569 02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:55,080 and we thoroughly enjoyed his company 3570 02:44:59,389 --> 02:44:56,880 thank you very much for having been on 3571 02:45:01,330 --> 02:44:59,399 our show today Spiros and Phil it was 3572 02:45:04,460 --> 02:45:01,340 fun yeah it was a blast 3573 02:45:09,439 --> 02:45:04,470 before we go on the chat on the chat 3574 02:45:11,540 --> 02:45:09,449 room somebody's talking about yeah and I 3575 02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:11,550 just want to make one statement about 3576 02:45:18,229 --> 02:45:15,359 about her can you please explain how 3577 02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:18,239 Linda Moulton Howe has taken a photo 3578 02:45:25,609 --> 02:45:21,600 from my film and copyrighted it with her 3579 02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:25,619 name on it can you please explain to 3580 02:45:30,889 --> 02:45:28,080 convey it please explain to me why she 3581 02:45:32,899 --> 02:45:30,899 did that and how that's ethical because 3582 02:45:34,460 --> 02:45:32,909 they're saying that she's wonderful and 3583 02:45:38,149 --> 02:45:34,470 they believed her and she thinks it's 3584 02:45:39,740 --> 02:45:38,159 real and she and frankly I don't I don't 3585 02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:39,750 rate her at all because I've seen what 3586 02:45:42,591 --> 02:45:41,520 she's done and and and she doesn't do 3587 02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:42,601 any research at all 3588 02:45:47,660 --> 02:45:45,210 so yeah she might be a lovely lady I'm 3589 02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:47,670 not disputing that but she has taken an 3590 02:45:53,690 --> 02:45:50,730 image from mine and she's put copyright 3591 02:45:56,810 --> 02:45:53,700 Linda Moulton Howe 20 19 all over my 3592 02:45:59,270 --> 02:45:56,820 photographs so just want to put that out 3593 02:46:02,810 --> 02:45:59,280 there if you'd like to explain to me why 3594 02:46:04,700 --> 02:46:02,820 that's okay and and I'll leave it there 3595 02:46:06,980 --> 02:46:04,710 oh it's not okay I 3596 02:46:08,870 --> 02:46:06,990 if that's true and I don't doubt your 3597 02:46:10,461 --> 02:46:08,880 saying but I also have to say allegedly 3598 02:46:13,251 --> 02:46:10,471 because as sparrow snows you know I 3599 02:46:17,690 --> 02:46:13,261 unless we actually see that then can I 3600 02:46:21,801 --> 02:46:17,700 say that and I'm fine with that 3601 02:46:25,850 --> 02:46:21,811 I'm fine with that that's unacceptable 3602 02:46:29,001 --> 02:46:25,860 and I certainly hope word gets back to 3603 02:46:30,591 --> 02:46:29,011 her that she cannot do that if she's 3604 02:46:31,820 --> 02:46:30,601 doing that because I want to make it 3605 02:46:35,780 --> 02:46:31,830 clear to everybody I'm glad you brought 3606 02:46:38,801 --> 02:46:35,790 this up nobody has the right to use any 3607 02:46:41,591 --> 02:46:38,811 pictures of that film who whatsoever 3608 02:46:44,690 --> 02:46:41,601 without the explicit permission of 3609 02:46:47,810 --> 02:46:44,700 Spiros melora's he owns this film 3610 02:46:50,990 --> 02:46:47,820 outright he has a document to prove it 3611 02:46:54,020 --> 02:46:51,000 and also I did get Spiros as permission 3612 02:46:57,291 --> 02:46:54,030 to be able to use pictures of the film 3613 02:47:01,131 --> 02:46:57,301 for my Gary shoe field interview which I 3614 02:47:03,711 --> 02:47:01,141 did this year and so I did ask him for 3615 02:47:05,810 --> 02:47:03,721 permission to do that and so we had that 3616 02:47:08,180 --> 02:47:05,820 conversation but the fact of the matter 3617 02:47:11,060 --> 02:47:08,190 is when somebody goes a level beyond 3618 02:47:14,381 --> 02:47:11,070 that and if they did indeed put a 3619 02:47:17,480 --> 02:47:14,391 copyright symbol on a property you own 3620 02:47:19,730 --> 02:47:17,490 that's a whole different level of a can 3621 02:47:21,770 --> 02:47:19,740 of worms right there so if anybody knows 3622 02:47:23,961 --> 02:47:21,780 her please let it be known that she 3623 02:47:25,970 --> 02:47:23,971 needs to listen to Speer say what he 3624 02:47:27,251 --> 02:47:25,980 just did all they have to do is just go 3625 02:47:29,570 --> 02:47:27,261 ahead and listen this broadcast 3626 02:47:30,830 --> 02:47:29,580 fast-forward to the end of it and tell 3627 02:47:32,900 --> 02:47:30,840 her to listen to it because that's 3628 02:47:36,680 --> 02:47:32,910 absolutely unacceptable if she did do 3629 02:47:38,631 --> 02:47:36,690 that it's absolutely true if anybody 3630 02:47:39,980 --> 02:47:38,641 wants to ask me a direct presses lot the 3631 02:47:41,720 --> 02:47:39,990 questions going on they're on the board 3632 02:47:43,850 --> 02:47:41,730 now but if anybody wants to ask me to 3633 02:47:45,820 --> 02:47:43,860 direct questions about anything to do 3634 02:47:49,341 --> 02:47:45,830 with the film just just join my facebook 3635 02:47:52,791 --> 02:47:49,351 my facebook group which is alien autopsy 3636 02:47:54,830 --> 02:47:52,801 fact files and and I'll be happy to not 3637 02:47:55,940 --> 02:47:54,840 only explain whatever you ask but show 3638 02:47:58,070 --> 02:47:55,950 you 3639 02:48:00,170 --> 02:47:58,080 I'm grabbing the URL to that right now 3640 02:48:03,410 --> 02:48:00,180 so I can drop it into the chat while we 3641 02:48:05,660 --> 02:48:03,420 have it open and okay so just one sec 3642 02:48:07,630 --> 02:48:05,670 all right I did that way everybody can 3643 02:48:13,100 --> 02:48:07,640 see that there it is 3644 02:48:15,860 --> 02:48:13,110 okay got it yeah I just said your group 3645 02:48:17,150 --> 02:48:15,870 that way everybody knows and they're not 3646 02:48:18,500 --> 02:48:17,160 gonna answer whatever question somebody 3647 02:48:21,980 --> 02:48:18,510 was asking questions about the hand 3648 02:48:23,929 --> 02:48:21,990 panels and whatever I'm happy to go into 3649 02:48:26,420 --> 02:48:23,939 detail into specific areas if you want 3650 02:48:29,210 --> 02:48:26,430 to go that deep it's been a great show 3651 02:48:30,860 --> 02:48:29,220 yeah I had a blast it was fantastic 3652 02:48:33,469 --> 02:48:30,870 thanks thanks so much yeah Phil and 3653 02:48:40,460 --> 02:48:33,479 Spyros thank you to my co-host Frank for 3654 02:48:47,080 --> 02:48:40,470 putting up with me and I actually 3655 02:48:54,350 --> 02:48:50,750 Frank Frank my compliment to you is you 3656 02:48:56,390 --> 02:48:54,360 take the orders from John and you just 3657 02:48:57,890 --> 02:48:56,400 and you just do it and we know that 3658 02:48:59,900 --> 02:48:57,900 you're biting your lip and we know that 3659 02:49:01,640 --> 02:48:59,910 you're kicking the table but but you 3660 02:49:02,630 --> 02:49:01,650 know what you do it you're an angel and 3661 02:49:04,910 --> 02:49:02,640 thank you for that 3662 02:49:07,910 --> 02:49:04,920 thanks so much Paris he does order me 3663 02:49:08,780 --> 02:49:07,920 around - okay well yeah let me be clear 3664 02:49:10,340 --> 02:49:08,790 let me be clear 3665 02:49:14,500 --> 02:49:10,350 I taught chant everything she knows 3666 02:49:19,010 --> 02:49:16,820 probably be arguing when we get off this 3667 02:49:21,530 --> 02:49:19,020 bride we will we will you know Frank 3668 02:49:22,969 --> 02:49:21,540 Frank she told me that you know she told 3669 02:49:28,179 --> 02:49:22,979 me said if it wasn't for Frank I don't 3670 02:49:32,690 --> 02:49:30,650 well you know chit-chat and I have a 3671 02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:32,700 love-hate relationship he loves me and I 3672 02:49:45,679 --> 02:49:42,810 hate her I love guiness all right on 3673 02:49:48,469 --> 02:49:45,689 that note let's wrap it up we're gonna 3674 02:49:49,850 --> 02:49:48,479 be back Thursday with Paul Stonehill so 3675 02:49:51,050 --> 02:49:49,860 that's gonna be a lot of fun and then 3676 02:49:53,240 --> 02:49:51,060 we're going to enjoy the Labor Day 3677 02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:53,250 weekend thank god it's here well give my 3678 02:49:56,960 --> 02:49:55,200 regards to Paul is an old friend of mine 3679 02:49:59,330 --> 02:49:56,970 and we are co-authors and we've been 3680 02:50:00,950 --> 02:49:59,340 colleagues and friends for years and you 3681 02:50:03,740 --> 02:50:00,960 will not be disappointed with the only 3682 02:50:05,929 --> 02:50:03,750 house to say I can assure you and Phil 3683 02:50:08,360 --> 02:50:05,939 if you have any questions - to submit to 3684 02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:08,370 Paul by all means I will ask them I 3685 02:50:11,540 --> 02:50:09,570 guarantee it yes 3686 02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:11,550 absolutely and we don't see we don't see 3687 02:50:15,560 --> 02:50:13,290 pon Facebook anymore that's a mystery to 3688 02:50:17,150 --> 02:50:15,570 us do you have any idea why that yeah he 3689 02:50:19,150 --> 02:50:17,160 just got fed up with getting blocked by 3690 02:50:20,390 --> 02:50:19,160 Facebook so he called it a day okay 3691 02:50:22,220 --> 02:50:20,400 understood 3692 02:50:23,480 --> 02:50:22,230 and I forgot to tell everybody this at 3693 02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:23,490 the beginning of the show this is 3694 02:50:29,660 --> 02:50:27,840 actually a part three podcast of myself 3695 02:50:31,460 --> 02:50:29,670 with Spiros here okay so this is the 3696 02:50:34,130 --> 02:50:31,470 this is a third podcast I've done 3697 02:50:36,290 --> 02:50:34,140 regarding the alien autopsy film the 3698 02:50:39,350 --> 02:50:36,300 other two podcast will be published by 3699 02:50:41,570 --> 02:50:39,360 Frank and on his channel and on my 3700 02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:41,580 channel so that everybody can listen to 3701 02:50:45,860 --> 02:50:43,290 Spiros and I talk about the alien 3702 02:50:48,110 --> 02:50:45,870 autopsy film and two other podcasts well 3703 02:50:49,940 --> 02:50:48,120 we'll get those up we'll get to it so 3704 02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:49,950 yeah let's wrap this up why we went that 3705 02:50:55,040 --> 02:50:52,560 a good bit long so uh goodbye everybody 3706 02:50:57,530 --> 02:50:55,050 have a great day and we will see you